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Zoe - thanks for trying!! William

William There are none of those people in the Newcastle or Sunderland area as far as I can see ~ sorry Zoe

Hi Zoe, yes, these are what the 1861 ages should be. thanks! William

William I am having a look now are those the ages you think they are in 1861? Zoe

Hi Zoe, thanks for your kind offer! I'm looking for a Scottish family that I believe were in Newcastle or Sunderland by the time of the 1861 census. Alexander Mckenzie, aged c44 +/5 Margary Mckenzie, aged 40 +/-20 Ann Mckenzie, aged 12 +/-2 Murdina Mckenzie, aged 9 +/-2 Margaret Alexandrina Mckenzie, aged 4 +/-2 Alexander Mckenzie, aged 1 It is just possible that the wife may have been Ann rather than Margary (which has been spelt Marjory, Marjorie). They were all born in different parts of Scotland. Lochbroom, Reiff, Banff, Inverness, Gorbals, Lanark are all possible places. Many thanks for your time! Kind regards, William

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Frances Martha only seems to be in the 1851 Zoe

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Thank you Zoe for both lookups. Kirsten

Thanks Zoe. Why is it they are never where you want them to be!

Eleanor 1851 Name: William Venn Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Servant Head of Household: John Norrish abt 1828 Ottery St Mary, Devon, England Head Tiverton Devon Gender: Male Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England Civil parish: Tiverton County/Island: Devon Country: England Source information: HO107/1889 Registration district: Tiverton Sub-registration district: Tiverton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Folio: 16 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 84 GSU Number: 221039 Zoe

I am looking for a William Venn on the 1851 Devon census, born in Ottery St Mary in abt 1833 - 1836. His age seems to vary a bit according to the different census. Thanks.

Kirsten 1851 Mill Street Head is a Ag Lab Eleanor E Preston abt 1839 Buckingfield, Leicestershire, England Daughter Oakham Rutland Eliza Preston abt 1843 Barleythorpe, Rutland, England Daughter Oakham Rutland Frances Preston abt 1806 Colly Weston, Northamptonshire, England Wife Oakham Rutland Mary Preston abt 1841 Buckingfield, Leicestershire, England Daughter Oakham Rutland Thomas Preston abt 1838 Edith Weston, Rutland, England Son Oakham Rutland William S Preston abt 1801 Barleythorpe, Rutland, England Head Oakham Rutland Zoe

Thank you Zoe, do you think you could find William Preston on the 1851 census for me? He was born in 1800 in Rutland and married to a lady named Frances. I believe they were still there in 1851. Thank you. Kirsten

Kirsten 1851 SOUTH STREET Head is a something Knitter Eliza Clifford abt 1846 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Radford Nottinghamshire Henry Clifford abt 1842 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Radford Nottinghamshire Mary Clifford abt 1803 Bramcote, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Radford Nottinghamshire Robert Clifford abt 1849 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Radford Nottinghamshire Selina Clifford abt 1837 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Radford Nottinghamshire Thomas Clifford abt 1836 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Radford Nottinghamshire William Clifford abt 1802 Buston, Nottinghamshire, England Head Radford Nottinghamshire Zoe xx

Hello Zoe, I believe he was born in Radford. Thank you for looking. Kirsten

Hi Zoe, Thanks for your help anyway. Kathryn

Kathryn Have tried numerous ways looked through all the Johns b1829+/-2 and cannot find one with a surname Chilton Chelton or anything similar sorry about that maybe you would be best asking for a 1841 lookup from someone as he would only have been around 12 and still with parents Sorry about that Zoe

Hi Zoe, Trying to find John Chilton born c 1829, I have found him in 1861,1871,1881 census but no record prior to 1861. In 1861 he is married to Gertrude Mary but is registered as Chelton (typing error)and says he was born in Islington and living in Marylebone. In 1871 and 1881 living in same place but gives Marylebone and Hatfield as birth places!!! I believe his father was called Richard and he was a butler, can you help??? Thanks for the offer. Kathryn

Gillian You are very lucky all their middle initials are there 1901 94 Buchfield Lane Head is a cutter down Ironworks Annie E Lakin abt 1893 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire Fanny M Lakin abt 1890 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire Mary A Lakin abt 1866 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife Oldbury Worcestershire Sarah J Lakin abt 1886 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire Thomas J Lakin abt 1864 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Head Oldbury Worcestershire Thomas J Lakin abt 1900 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Worcestershire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1891 4 Charles Street Fanny is 7 months old Head is a Iron Builder Lakin, Fanny M abt 1890 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Lakin, Mary A abt 1866 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire Lakin, Sarah J abt 1887 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Lakin, Thomas J abt 1864 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire So we can assume they were married in Staffs around or before 1887 birth of first daughter.. You can look at www.familysearch.org to find him in 1881 or at Ancestry for free. Here is the marriage cert ref Name: LAKIN, Thomas James Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1885 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 1069 There is a Mary Ann Phipps on the same page You should order one of the childrens birth certs to ensure you have the correct maiden name Here is Sarah Jane's birth ref Name: Lakin, Sarah Jane Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1886 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 794 Looks like this might be Mary Ann Phipps(keep this info for when you order marriage cert you wil have her fathers name and occupation to compare) 1881 Head is a Labourer Ironworks Alice E. Phipps abt 1876 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Fanny Phipps abt 1834 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England George C. Phipps abt 1870 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Son 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England James R. Phipps abt 1873 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Son 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England John A. Phipps abt 1859 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Son 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England John W. Phipps abt 1868 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Son 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Joseph Phipps abt 1831 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Head 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England >>>>Mary A. Phipps abt 1865 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Sarah J. Phipps abt 1863 Westbromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter 83 Oldbury Rd Beerseller, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Will leave you to your hunting now if you need any help at all just ask, Hope this helps your research Zoe xx