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Hi Folks,

Update.

Mary Wilson marries Peter Thompson in 1833.

Peter dies

Mary Thomspon married George Walkington 1838.

Mary dies 1849.

Alice Wilson married Alexander Forbes 1839.

Unsure of Alexander's situation.

Alice Forbes marries George Walkington 1851.

Mary & Alice Wilson were sisters. Daughters of Peter Wilson, my Grt Grt Grandfather.

Worked out using the birth cert of Ann Walkington. Daughter of George & Mary Walkington.

Name of mother stated as "Mary Walkington late Thompson formerly Wilson"

So Grt Grandmother of lookout Frederick Fleet was Mary Wilson..not Alice as I had originally thought. But still related as they were both daughters of Peter Wilson. :-D

Hi Paul, glad you sorted out John Wilson - lets hope we have the same luck with Emma, which is on a new thread (just in case anybody tries to help on this one!)

Hi Madmeg,

Yes it is a truely wonderful & amazing find!. I could never of dreamt i would find such a link...the chances of it happening is just mental!

But i am so very proud to have it. And it is wonderful knowing Bill & Buck are still alive and that i have been able to contact them...its just great! :)

Also....yes...i have had more luck with me finding John Wilsons parents.
I brought the right cert this time...lol

Johns parents were William Wilson & Esther Moore. William being the brother of Alice who is Frederick Fleet's grt grandmother.

The strange thing is..my grandmother on my mothers side ALSO married a Frederick Fleet! ..after my own grandfather....LOL..And that my grandfather was born at 11 Hope Street, Reading...where as a relative of my grans on my fathers side also lived at an 11 Hope Street,..but in Portsmouth!!....crazy!...lol

William was a shipwright and from Liverpool..and his father was a Peter Wilson..also a shipwright from Liverpool, mother Frances Dean...AND his father was Peter Wilson born c1750 mother Elizabeth surname unknown as yet.

A number of the siblings of these were also shipwrights..

But I have come to a dead end with Peter born c1750...I cant find anything on him. He and Elizabeth had at least 5 children.

Peter, 1782 Betty 1787 ,Lydia 1790, Sophia 1792, William 1796

And thats it I cannot find anything more so i can move back further.
I am hoping Peter might have come from Scotland...as many Wilsons came down from Scotland to find work in the docks of Liverpool.

It would be truely excellent to find out Peter came from Scotland....But so far..nothing! :(

Also i am having trouble with my grt grandmother Emma Tuck.
She was born in Shoreditch in 1864, BUT there are 2 Emma Tucks born in Shoreditch in 1864 in the same quarter.

I have just purchaed one of the certs...but I still cant be sure i have the right one.

Thing is I did have her parents down as John Tuck & Caroline McCarthy.
As her parents in census returns say John & Caroline.

NOW!....according to the census returns. John was born c1822 in Paddington London....and there is a John Adolphus Tuck who married a Caroline McCarthy born in Paddington. Appears to be the ONLY John Tuck born that time and place.

So.....I HAD.. John Adolphus Tuck as her father & Caroline McCarthy as mother....I got many family links from this connection.

THEN...I am told by a lady that my Emmas father was NOT John Adolphus Tuck.

So explains to me why...And at the time time I believed what she said and decided i had it wrong and had to wipe HUNDREDS if not thousands of folks off my tree.

Anyway.....I was back to square one with John & Emma. BUT the more i looked the more i am convinced i had it right...but cannot remember why this lady said it was wrong.

I have just brought one of the birth certs associated with my Emma..the one i callculated would be more likely to be hers.
It arrived yesterday.

It says....father John Tuck..mother..Caroline McCarthy formerly Cook.!
BUT as it doesnt say what Johns middlw name is...I cant be sure it is the Adolphus Tuck i originally thought it was.

Cle..Caroline couldnt read or right..sihned with a cross.....AND Emma was the same..She marked my grandfathers birth cert with a cross..So i am thinking it must be him!.

I have found a marrriage for Caroline to a Michael McCarthy in Portsea 1849. And then she marries John in 1856 in Portsea.
Cant find anything on Michael..birth or death...Cant find them on the 1851 census.

So....dispite having one of the certs i still cant be 100% sure John Adolphus Tuck is my Emma's father...As a John Adolphus Tuck DID marry a Caroline McCarthy.

Very frustarting as it is stopping me retuning ALL those i had removed when I was told i had it wrong..as i had done alot of work on the link.

Anyway...thanks for reading the up date.....Shows...help from folks like yourself is most useful.
Kind Regards
Paul

That's really exciting news Paul. It's marvellous when you make connections with someone famous (not that I ever have myself!).

Also a great coincidence that the connection is one you were interested in for so man years. I am really pleased for you.

But no news on what we started out to find?

Update!.

Sometime ago one of Potty's posts mentions a "George Walkington"

George married my grt grt grandfathers sister Alice Wilson.
Their grandaughter was one Alice Fleet.

Alice Fleet turns out to be the mother of Frederick Fleet....the lookout aboard RMS Titanic who spotted the Iceberg!.

He survived the sinking and manned lifeboat No.6.

Soooo!.....Fred had been put out for adoption by his mother who then emigrated to the US and married her boyfriend.
They had a daughter who married 3 times and had at least 2 children.

One of the marriages gave me a link to the name Pattillo.

NOW!...for the past 10 years i have been running a website dediacted to a US pilot from ww2 who flew with a the 352nd Fighter Group 8th Airforce.
I have had an interest in this pilot since i was 12 years old...I am now 42.

The most amazing thing is....there were twin brothers who also flew with the 352nd FG.. Their names..Bill & Buck "PATTILLO"

And with some time and effort I have discovered the Pattillo link I have via Alice Fleet is the very same family that Buck & Bill came from.

I have contacted Buck (as I have friends with the 352nd Association).
And he gave me his family back ground and both his and the Pattillo family i have a link to came from the same family here in Scotland where i now live.....They came from a village named Kettins...which is about 25 miles from me.

Its an AMAZING! find....To discover i am related to pilots who flew with the man I have dediacted a website to for 10 years and have been interested in since i was 12....CRAZY!

I have now put Bill & Buck into my tree...You can find video clips of Bill & Buck on Youtube.
Just do a search for "the Pattillo brothers".

I family link i am very proud to have.
Salute



Cheers to all those who helped me on this message MANY THANKS!!!

:)

No reply from school...so phoned again yesterday...but as before no reply as yet. : -(

Well, I have just watched the U-tube clip. The lady Pamela's father was probably about the same age as yours. Sounds like they were groomed for the Merchant Navy rather than the Royal Navy.

I hope you find some records, cos this is a fabulous piece of history for you to add to your collection.

That's good, hope they can help.

Hi Madmeg,

Update:

Have just phoned the Orphanage....but the gent who deals with Genealogy side of things was out...I hope to get a return call.

I have also sent an email just incase.

I have also found a short documentry about the place on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUBAl0NrepQ

Paul

That's okay. Let us know what happens.

Margaret

Many thanks for your help Madmeg....it is most appreciated.
And others who have helped.
At least I have something more correct than what I had before to go on.
Just a case of doing the paper work etc and seeing if it is correct..

Hope so...don't want to have to start again with this one..lol

Liverpool hey?..well well....

Am also trying to confrim that one of my ancestor on my mothers side did infact emigrate to the US around 1644.

Shhheeeshh..never ending

Paul
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I understand Boogie, it is sensible to get as close as possible before spending money. Wilsons and the Navy are no different from other families - many others moved around to strange places. My own gg grandparents popped up and had children all over the place for no apparent reason until I twigged that he was a railway blacksmith and all the places were railyards.

I think we are pretty sure we are looking for John born about 1860 in Liverpool/West Derby, father William, a Shipwright. We cannot be certain that his mother is Esther as we can't find her with him in 1861.

I think it is worth contacting the Liverpool Register Office and asking if they have a birth of a John, father William, a Shipwright 1858-1862. They won't tell you who the mother is, but if they find those details you can buy the certificate.

The Register Office, The Cotton Exchange, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L3 9UF.
Tel: 0151 233 3004. Fax: 0151 233 4944.
E-mail: [email protected]

The only marriage I can find of a William Wilson to an Esther is that to Esther Moore in 1853. Lancashire bmd has this one, Liverpool St Philip Church, ref 2123LP/10/407. You could ask them if that William is a shipwright, and again get the certificate.

If he is not a shipwright and you don't think it is the right one, you don't pay anything.

I think the only thing you can do is to order the cert Madmeg found and give William as the father's name for a checking point. That way, if that is wrong they will not send the cert and will refund part of the charge.

I think this marriage has already been posted but this confirms that a William Wilson married an Esther Moore - from Lancs bmd:
1853:
WILSON William MOORE Esther Liverpool, St. Philip Liverpool

The naval history of these men.maybe interesting once found..but its a bugger for both to be in navy..really doesn't help tracking them down.

Thing is...other related folks to me are also in the Navy...gggrrrrr!!
Will this navy lark ever end?.

Mind you my father did his service in the Army...lol..I believe in tanks in Germany....I recall him showing me photo's of him in uniform...but I do not have any photos of my father other than the one from his wallet..
Or my mother come to think of things....or one of my sisters!

Can't aford to buy to many certs....money is so tight....I really need to be sure we have the write ones before I send for certs..

But need to find some gro numbers first.!

Wilson is like Smith an Jones..to many keep reusing the same names over and over again...which means many folks with the same name..which sucks.

I think this could be the 1861 Portsea William - he and his father are shipwrights - :

1851 England Census
about William Wilson
Name: William Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Head St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 1t
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Wilson 69 b Liverpool
Frances Wilson 66 b Cheshire, Liscard?
William Wilson 19
John Williams 18 - visitor, b L'pool, plaster

Well, there are plenty of John Wilsons born around the right time in both Liverpool and West Derby. If we run with the one born to William and Esther, his siblings could also be Liverpool or West Derby, apart from Frances who is definitely West Derby. If we then are guided by the NA record that Potty found, there is a birth in West Derby, Jun 1859, ref 8b/283. Free bmd shows two references but the second is an alternative guess because the original isn't clear. But it looks like 283 to me.

But I'd like to find this John in 1861 with mother Esther. But I can't.

Names on cert are

Edith Brady & Frank Wallace Groves

Don't appear to be related to John & Emma.

Looking at the image for the William with mother Charlotte in 1871, I thought it looked as if he was married - but as he is still with mum in 1881 and no John, "our" William must be the one in Portsea in 1861 - but where are Esther and John!! The only John with a mother Esther and no father present is a John McMenis(? image is not clear); Esther is married but born Ireland which does not tie up with later census.

Boogie, who were the witnesses to John and Emma's marriage? Are there any clues there?