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Working backwards -

1919 - same address: Albert George, Elizabeth, and William.


SMITH, FREDERICK CHARLES mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 737

SMITH, ALBERT GEORGE mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 711


Later:
after much searching, I still can't figure out who Violet Maud is.

Walter is still at 23 Meredith Street in 1929, with Albert George, Alice May, Frederick Charles, Violet Maud, and William:

Walter Lewis Smith
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Walter Lewis Smith
Electoral Date: 1929
Street address: 23 Meredith Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: Finsbury
County or Borough: Islington, England



1930 - all still there except William - Albert George, Violet Maud, Walter Lewis, Alice May, Frederick Charles.

1931, same address: Albert George, Alice May, Frederick Charles, Walter Lewis, Violet Maud.

1932, same address: Albert George, Alice May, Violet Maud, and Walter Lewis.

1933, same address: same four as in 1932.

1934 & 1935, same address - only Alice May and Walter Lewis.

1936 - 407 Northampton Buildings: Alice May and Walter Lewis

Re the 1920 ER record rootgatherer found -

23 Meredith Street was the brother Leonard's address when he married.

Leonard Arthur Smith
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Leonard Arthur Smith - omnibus conductor
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1901
Marriage Date: 14 Aug 1927
Marriage Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: William George Smith, taxicab driver
Spouse: Maud Ellen Watson

Looks like them in 1939, but Alice's DOB is way out:

Walter L Smith
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Walter L Smith
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1897
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 407 Northampton Buildings <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Place: Finsbury, London, England
Occupation: Dispatch Clerk Unemployed
Line Number: 30
Schedule Number: 132
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: AFSX
Borough: Finsbury
Registration district: 14/1
Household Members:
Name
Alice M Smith - 30 Dec 1904, single
Walter L Smith

Is the DOB you have for Alice from her birth cert?
Her birth registration would cover a Dec 1904 DOB too.

SMITH, ALICE MAY mms MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 637

???

Walter L Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter L Smith
Death Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1898
Registration Date: Jan 1954
[Feb 1954]
[Mar 1954]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Finsbury <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 512

For elimination only - NOT this one. He's with parents Walter and Sarah Ann and several siblings

Walter Lewis Smith
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Walter Lewis Smith
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1898
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1913
Arrival Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Vessel: Tunisian

Here he is at 23 Meredith Street

Lewis
Last name Smith
Year 1920
Season Autumn
Polling district or place St James
Constituency P B of Finsbury
Constituency in full Parliamentary Borough of Finsbury
County Middlesex, London
Country England
Register type Parliamentary Borough
Archive
The British Library
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.316/BL.F.1
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Great Britain, England
Findmypast

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Also there
Albert George Smith
Elizabeth Smith
Frederick Charles Smith
Violet Maud Smith
William Smith

Hello again, Please can you help me with Walter Lewis Smith born Oct 1897
and Alice May Smith born 22/1/1905

The last I can see of them is on 1911 census.

Thank you
Rose

Omg thank you so much, all that writing up is now done, on to the next lol

Thank you Alviegal and ErikaH So very grateful

Rose

Additional info for 1911

9 children born in 27 years of marriage - all living

1911 giving full names

164 Northampton Buildings Clerkenwell E C, St James and St John Clerkenwell, London & Middlesex, England

William George Smith Head Married Male 48 1863 Taxi Cab Driver London Clerkenwell
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 48 1863 - London St Giles
William John Smith Son Single Male 25 1886 Coachman London St James Clerkenwell
Sydney Thomas Smith Son Single Male 19 1892 Porter London St James Clerkenwell
Albert George Smith Son Single Male 17 1894 Builders Labourer London St James Clerkenwell
Frederick Charles Smith Son Single Male 14 1897 Errand Boy London St James Clerkenwell
Walter Lewis Smith Son Single Male 13 1898 - London St James Clerkenwell
Leonard Arthur Smith Son Single Male 10 1901 - London St James Clerkenwell
Alice May Smith Daughter - Female 6 1905 - London St James Clerkenwell

Name: Joyce E Gale
[Joyce E Randall]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1922
Residence Year: 1939

Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
GALE Joyce E RANDALL Edmonton 5e 741
GALE Joyce E WRANGLES Edmonton 5e 741 S
Randall Albert E Gale Edmonton 5e 741
WRANGLES Albert E GALE Edmonton 5e 741


First name(s) JOYCE ELIZABETH
Last name RANDALL
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 9
Birth year 1922
Death quarter 2
Death year 2006
District Hitchin & Stevenage
District number 5341A
Register number 24A
Entry number 268
Date of registration mm/yy 0606

Name: Vincent Thomas William Gale
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1914
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1914
Baptism Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: Vincent Thomas Gale
Mother: Edith Nora Gale

Name: Vincent Thomas W Gale
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1914
Registration Date: May 1991
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 620

Name: Edith Rosemary Pain
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1911
Registration Date: Jan 1988
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 476

Name: Edith Rosemary Pain
Death Date: 19 Jan 1988
Death Place: Enfield
Probate Date: 30 Mar 1988
Probate Registry: London


Name: Peggy Alexandra Bulgen
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1924
Registration Date: Nov 1994
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: B31D
District and Subdistrict: 2271B
Entry Number: 2

Name: Peggy Alexandra Bulgen
Death Date: 8 Nov 1994
Death Place: Enfield Middx
Probate Date: 15 Mar 1995
Probate Registry: Ipswich

Name: Eric R F Gale
Registration Date: Apr 1926
[May 1926]
[Jun 1926]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Essex
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith


Name: Eric R F Gale
Registration Date: Jul 1949
[Aug 1949]
[Sep 1949]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Aileen Bellingham


Name: Eric Robert Francis Gale
Death Date: 23 Jan 1970
Death Place: Enfield
Probate Date: 16 Feb 1970
Probate Registry: London

Name: Edith Nora Smith
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1889
Marriage Date: 3 Jul 1910
Marriage Place: St Mary Magdalene, Holloway Road, Islington, England
Spouse: Vincent Thomas Gale
Register Type: Parish Register
Bride's father William George Smith, Cab Driver

1911

Name: Edith Dora Gale
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: CLERKENWELL, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Brading Rd, Brixton Hill SW
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 2112
Household Members:
Name Age
Vinrent Thomas Gale 25
Edith Dora Gale 21


1939

Name: Edith N Gale
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 10 May 1889
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Enfield, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Housewife
Line Number: 38
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: BEBS
Borough: Enfield
Inferred Spouse: Vincent S Gale
Inferred Children: Vincent J W Gale
Edith R Gale
Joyce E Gale
Peggy A Gale
Eric R F Gale
Household Members:
Name
Vincent S Gale
Edith N Gale
Vincent J W Gale
Edith R Gale
Joyce E Gale
Peggy A Gale
Eric R F Gale
Louice Cook


Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%)
Gale Edith N 57 Edmonton 5e 422

Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
GALE Vincent T 76 Edmonton 5e 301

For accuracy..............

SMITH, EDITH NORA MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 705

Always look for pre-1911 births on the GRO site....for FULL info

A tree on ancestry, which seems to be owned by a descendant of Lilians, has this as the last sighting of her.

Unspecified
13 Sep 1906 • Leyton, London, England

Witness at the wedding of Henry Holdsworth and Lilian Smith

Possible for her.

1911 Census For England & Wales

122 Wellington Road Forest Gate E, West Ham, London & Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Burdon Head Married Male 27 1884 Barman Glasgow Resident
Edith Burdon Wife Married Female 20 1891 - London Clerkenwell
James Burdon Son - Male 1 1910 - London St Lukes


and her marriage.


England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) EDITH
Last name SMITH
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1909
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


EDITH SMITH married one of these people

James William Burdon, George James Giffin
District Holborn
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Volume as transcribed 1B
Page number 1196


EDIT Ancestry has a copy of their MC and Edith's father is Richard, a saddle tree maker so not her. An Ernest Smith is a witness. :-(

1901 for our benefit.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Northampton Buildings 15Th Block, 428, London, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Geo Smith Head Married Male 39 1862 Cab Driver Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 39 1862 - St Giles, Middlesex, England
William Smith Son Single Male 15 1886 Telegraph Messenger Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Lilian Smith Daughter - Female 14 1887 Upholsteress Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Edith Smith Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Sidney Smith Son Single Male 9 1892 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Albert Smith Son Single Male 7 1894 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Frederick Smith Son Single Male 4 1897 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Walter Smith Son Single Male 3 1898 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Leonard Smith Son - Male 0 1901 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Trying to find EDITH SMITH born 1889 Clerkenwell

I found 3 other children in this family

I cannot find her after the 1901 census?

Thank you