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lainie39

lainie39 Report 10 Apr 2009 18:43

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

you have all really made my day!! if i ever become as good at this a you all are I may [one day] be able to help out other too!

i will check out the website Christine - i am SO EXCITED!!!

Elaine

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 10 Apr 2009 18:52

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/PP_I/pp_lennie_family.htm

The Lennie Family
James, Eliza and William Lennie

James Lennie was born in South Leith in 1816 or 1817.
The family living together at the time of the 1851 census comprised:
James Lennie
Master Optician
Aged 34

Eliza Lennie
Wife
Aged 33

William
Son, Apprentice Optician
Aged 13




Thank you to Norman Price, Nottingham, England for telling me more family details (below).

Norman wrote:

"James Lennie and Eliza are the parents of William Brown Lennie, my great great grandfather. His daughter, Violet Ade Lennie is my great grandmother. She married Fred Percy Jackson. William Lennie moved to Liverpool."

Norman Price, Nottingham, England: Message in EdinPhoto GuestBook: November 21, 2007

John, James and Joseph Lennie

James Lennie died in 1854.
Around 1872, Eliza Lennie married optician James Taylor from Haywood, England. There were three stepsons:
John Lennie

James Lennie

Joseph Lennie


John Lennie and probably at least one of his brothers had connections with the business. The business traded as J & J Lennie in the early 1900s.

Joseph Lennie

Joseph Lennie became President of Edinburgh Photographic Society, 1900-01.

E J Lennie / Jack Lennie

E J Lennie gave lectures on photographic filters to Edinburgh Photographic Society in 1938 and 1948.
Jack Lennie headed the firm in 1959, the year that the company closed the photographic side of its business.

Thank you to Paul R Lennie for sending me the following message:

E J Lennie / Jack Lennie

"I think you will find that EJ Lennie and Jack Lennie were one and the same; he was my father.

He did close the business in 1959 and move to Rome, with his second wife, my mother, and died there in 1969."

Paul R Lennie: February 16, 2006


LadyKira

LadyKira Report 10 Apr 2009 18:57

Your James Taylor married Harriet before 1861. He may have remarried or it mayy be another family member also James also optician.
Investigate further

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 15:19

Hi Guys,

it seems that i have a problem with this ancestor - as in i have obtained copies of what i think are his marriage and birth certs and they both have different fathers on them!!! his birth cert says Isaih Wood and his marriage cert says John Wood.

i am assuming that the Alfred Burton Wood IS my ancestor because his occupation on an original cert i have is the same - provision/wine merchant and he was born in Kettering - BUT - the only Afred Burton Wood that i can find, born in Kettering at the correct time, has Isaih Wood as his father. Isaih Wood's occupation was a tailor and i am told by a living relative that this branch of the family were originally tailors.

the family found on this thread has the correct children i.e. my great grandfather Albert Herbert is listed as his child on the census info

can anyone help me as to how i proceed from here?

Elaine

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 16:37

Could you copy all of the details and post them on here please

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 18:35

Hi Christine,

I think that you may have answered my earlier on this thread - but maybe not. Not sure of what details you would like posted on the thread - please tell me if I have got this wrong and am not giving you the information you have asked for..

In short, I am almost positive that the Alfred Burton Wood of Ilkeston is my ancestor, simply because he is recorded on his daughter’s marriage cert as being a provision/wine merchant. A living relative has told me that the family were Nottingham based - and Ilkeston was then part of Nottinghamshire.

This is, I believe, my great great grandfather in the census - Alfred B Wood - and my great grandfather Albert Herbert Wood, his son.

http://www.ilkestonhistory.org.uk/familyhistory%20portraits%202.htm

Alfred Burton Wood
He was born at Kettering, Northamptonshire on February 24th 1846, the son of John Wood, a Woollen Draper.
He commenced business as a Provision Merchant in 1866 and was married in 1869 to Jane Taylor, the daughter of James Taylor, an Optician of Nottingham.
[of course I thought that the website had got the father of Alfred wrong!!!]

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham VIEW
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shop man
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham

Below is, I believed, to be my great great great grandfather - but upon receiving copies of Alfred Burton Wood’s marriage cert to Jane, his father is recorded as John Wood. I was told by the same living relative that this branch of the family were originally tailors - being Jewish.
1851
Alfred Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1846 Norths, Kettering Son Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Alice Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1844 Norths, Kettering Daughter Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Isaiah Wood Rachael abt 1812 Norths, Kettering Head Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Rachael Wood Isaiah abt 1810 Norths, Kettering Wife Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Rhoda Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1841 Norths, Kettering Daughter Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Stephen Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1840 Norths, Geddington Son Kettering, Northamptonshire

I have received the birth cert for this Alfred Burton Wood and, of course, it confirms that his father was Isaiah.

I am now so confused - how do I go about finding out who his father is?

Thanks for your help - sorry I wasnt around when you replied!

Elaine







LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 19:19

I want you to copy out exactly what is recorded on the certificates and then I will have another look.

Sometimes people swapped middle and forenames so all is not lost. we need to read everything again .

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 19:38

OK - here goes!!

Birth cert
Column no - 38
24/2/1846 Kettering
Alfred Burton
Boy
Father - Isaiah Wood
Mother - Rachael Wood - formerly Richardson
Occupation - tailor
Informant - Rachael Wood mother Kettering
Registered 6/3/1846
Registered at
Sub-district Kettering Union, Kettering Northamptonshire


Marriage cert
No - 249
7/9/1869
Alfred Burton Wood & Jane Taylor
Both ‘full age’ - bachelor and spinster
Occupation - provision merchant
Residence at time of marriage - Notintone Place, Ilkeston, Derbyshire
Father of groom - John Wood - provision merchant
Father of bride - James Taylor - optician
Parish Church of Sneinton, Nottinghamshire
Witnesses - James Taylor and Harriett Taylor

Hope this is what you are asking for?

Elaine

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 19:39

just a quick thought

you mentioned the family were Jewish. I wonder if the name was changed in translation.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 19:40

That was quick. will have a ponder.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 19:53

OK we take a step back to where you are absoluteley certain you have him and we will do some cross checking.

cut and paste the census you are sure of.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 19:59

These are the only records on free bmd father and son

It is not like we have loads to choose from
Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wood Alfred Burton Kettering 15 292

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Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Wood Alfred Burton Radford 7b 237

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Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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Wood Alfred Burton Basford 7b 146

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Deaths Mar 1910 (98%)
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Wood Alfred Burton 63 Basford 7b 139

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 20:10

these are the only albert b wood
in 1901

Household WOOD, Alfred B 1867 34 M Shoreditch London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1887 14 M Shoreditch London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1882 19 M Greenwich London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1889 12 M Edmonton Middlesex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1874 27 M Epping Essex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1848 53 M West Ham Essex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1846 55 M Basford Nottinghamshire VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1883 18 M Basford Nottinghamshire VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1890 11 M Worksop Nottinghamshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 20:26

1901 Address: 17, Stamford Street, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 55 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 54 1847
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
WOOD, Charles Son Single M 26 1875 Cab Driver
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 18 1883 Drapers Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 17 1884 Clothers Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Florence H Daughter Single F 12 1889
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Ida Daughter F 9 1892
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shopman
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham


OK
I have looked at the other census returns that we have found and the family group is right for each census.

These two give us place of birth for Alfred and Jane. as Kettering and Nottingham respectively. And we have ages.

This also fitss with what we know

1881 Address: 36, Market St, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head Married M 35 1846 Provision Dealer
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 34 1847
Nottingham
WOOD, Albert Herbert Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Edith Ellen Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Charles Stanley Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Lilly May Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Stephen Richardson Son Single M 2 1879
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Jane Taylor Daughter Single F 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
HEATHCOTE, John Boarder Single M 17 1864 Provision Dealer Appr
Cropwell Bishop
BENNETT, Susan Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Serv
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
MARSHALL, Lizzey Servant Single F 14 1867 Nurse Girl
Kegworth
Leicestershire

Middle names are quite informative

notice
WOOD, Stephen Richardson Son Single M 2 1879
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

and compare

marriage
Rachel Richardson 1838 Kettering
Isaiah Wood

Good clue I think.

Now notice
WOOD, Jane Taylor Daughter Single F 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

I think we have another clue.

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 20:27

Hi Christine,

the certs i have received copies of are the birth cert for Kettering page 292 and the marriage cert 7b 237

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham VIEW
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shop man
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham

this is the census i feel sure of - simply because he has a son Albert H [Herbert] which was my great grandfather's name.

I have emailed the people who have constructed the website where Alfred Burton's name is mentioned and said that i think they are wrong and that his father's name is Isaiah - but to date have received no reply!

I am, however, going next Thursday, to the local library which holds documents etc of Ilkeston and am hoping that the library can give me info regarding what my g.grandfather was 'prominant' for in this town.

My search of addresses given in censuses have given little fruit to my search - as they addresses have either been demolished or changed.

one address in 1881 census[36 market st] is now a factory with no mention of its previous purpose or names.

another address in 1891 census is now a nationwide building society on what was a busy high street for shops and businesses and

the last address i have in the 1910 census is a one up-one down attached to the Montague Burton [Burtons menswear] building called 'Burton House'.

i am at a loss - something is amiss here and i cannot fathom out what!!!

Elaine

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 20:32

oh - i see what you mean - Alfred Burton Wood born in Kettering - his mother's maiden name was Richardson!!!!

so - you are thinking that maybe he has changed his father's name from Isaiah to John? [maybe to fit in?]

Elaine

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 20:51

Also check out the occupations of the children


1901
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 55 1846 Provision Merchant
WOOD, Charles Son Single M 26 1875 Cab Driver
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 18 1883 Drapers Apprentice
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 17 1884 Clothers Apprentice

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shopman
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
1881 Address: 36, Market St, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head Married M 35 1846 Provision Dealer
HEATHCOTE, John Boarder Single M 17 1864 Provision Dealer Appr
(I wonder if he was apprenticed to Albert- should be records)

1861
WOOD, Isaiah Lodger Widower M 48 1813 Tailor
John Wood, a Woolen Draper

The occupations are all retail
perhaps they had the beginnings of a department store between them



LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 21:08

it is possiblethat isiah's father was John

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZ. MOORE Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1812 Geddington, Northampton, England

lainie39

lainie39 Report 8 May 2009 21:25

i dont know the answer to that question, Christine. I have found no 'middle' name for Isaiah.

Should i be able to find the answers at the library?

Elaine.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 8 May 2009 21:34

Is there anywhere nearby that might have jewish records?
You may find something else in loocal archivea-trade directories etc. I am convinced they are the same person though. I have seen far worse transcription errors.