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Tip of the day...Adoption records

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KenSE

KenSE Report 11 Nov 2013 07:40

Nudge

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 31 Oct 2013 11:05

Pelo,

Thank you for your comments and for explaining things from your perspective.

Wars and conflicts have I am sure been the cause of some adoptions ranging from biological fathers being killed in action to infidelities of some wives whilst their husbands were away at war. Some adoptions will have worked out well for the child whilst others may not. I am always heartened by a story that I became aware of.

I owned a general store which amongst many other things sold postcards depicting local scenes. One day an aged black American gentleman came into my shop and purchased every last card that I had showing a Birmingham double decker bus. A few days later one of my regular local customers, a lady of mixed race, came in and asked if I had any postcards of Birmingham buses in stock. I said that I was temporarily out of stock and explained what had happened. She exclaimed, "That was my dad."

She went on to tell me the story. Her mother who was white had had a wartime affair with a black American G.I. whilst her white husband was away fighting in Europe. My customer was the product of that affair. On his return from the war her mother's husband had accepted the situation and had formally adopted the child and raised her as his own. A brave thing to do at the time as England's population at the time was predominantly white. She enjoyed her upbringing and although being made aware of the circumstances of her birth and her biological father's name she made no attempt to contact her biological father until both her mother and adoptive father had died.

After their deaths she contacted an organisation in America who provided her with a very long list of G.I.'s who had that name and had been posted to England during WW2. She had to start somewhere so she wrote to the first name on the list, someone who lived in Detroit. Much to her amazement and great joy she received a reply from the man acknowledging that he was indeed her father. Fate had indeed smiled.

For the next few years they took it in turns to visit one another's homes. Unfortunately during one of his visits to her he died so her last daughterly duty was to escort his body back to Detroit for burial. She does however keep in touch with her half brothers and sisters living in the USA.

pelo

pelo Report 31 Oct 2013 02:20

As an adoptee when I was 2 years old I have foolowed this discussion with considerable interest. The postings are so varied & highlight a raft of different experiences.

One aspect I notice (probably because it was the overarching reason for my adoption), is the virtual absence of the effects of the World Wars & other intervening skirmishes on the adoption decisions. Here on the other side of the world we also had many families torn apart by the Pacific Wars & a considerable number of young women with babies soon to be born or very young just couldn't cope on their own with a baby. Many chose to marry in haste when the first group of new heroes came back on leave - a disastrous situation. My mother did not want to marry the man who proposed to her - he had been her boss prior to WW2 & she was scared of him & what he might do to her & me. His mother was a tough forceful woman & Mum buckled. The marriage was a disaster, I was terrified of him (for very good reason), he was a loner & more.
My father was K.I.A. in 1943 & we never met but I have come in contact with a number of other people with similar backgrounds over the years. We all agree that war or financial difficulties at the time played a huge part in adoptions. It certainly helped a great deal having very supportive grandparents who loved me dearly & I them.

pelo

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 29 Oct 2013 11:01

Aaron,

You do not state whether the name that you have been given for your father's mother is her maiden or married surname.

If your biological parents were married then a copy of their marriage certificate might reveal your father's father's name assuming that your father knew it. As you know your father's mothers name then it is a case of trying to find a marriage between her and your father's father.

If the surname that you have for your father's mother is different to that by which your father was known then it is a reasonable assumption that her surname is her maiden name. All births whether legitimate or illegitimate registered in the UK after 1911 show the mothers maiden name in the GRO index. That record remains in the index even if the child is subsequently adopted. Assuming that you know when and possibly where your father was born it becomes a case of looking at the index of births for that period (Include the following quarter also in your search) under your fathers forename and initials using both surnames to see if you can locate a birth registration with a mothers maiden name matching that of the lady whose name you have been given.

Having identified your fathers birth registration try to obtain a copy of his birth certificate from the GRO. If your father was adopted during his childhood then it is unlikely that the GRO will supply a copy to you as their own internal records will show that he was subsequently adopted and a new short version birth certificate was issued in his new adopted name.

If he was adopted as you suspect or believe then it is more likely that he was born illegitimate. If that was the case then discovering who his biological father was might be very difficult or even impossible unless his mother or someone she may have confided in is still alive.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

http://www.gro.gov.uk

Good luck

Aaron

Aaron Report 28 Oct 2013 13:15

Hi I was wondering if there is anyway I can find out if my biological father was adopted at birth, I've been given his mums name but not his dads and would like to no my family history thankyou

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 6 Aug 2013 16:04

Several years ago, I discovered that my Mum's cousin had a daughter that was adopted (from her birth certificate) My Mum's cousin died soon after the daughter was adopted.

3 years ago I posted a message looking for the adopted child. I didn't name her, but quoted her DOB and where she was born..

Last year her daughter replied and gave me her email address.

We have now met and keep in contact. Plus she now knows who her ancestors were and that she has lots of other living relatives she never knew about.

.

Joanne

Joanne Report 5 Aug 2013 23:23

Looking for sister born Wendy McArthur 1978 in Northampton to mother East

Renes

Renes Report 19 Jun 2013 13:34

Nudging up


Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 4 Jun 2013 21:26

Nudging (this used to have a sticky to keep it at the top).

Renes

Renes Report 9 May 2013 14:30

Nudge up for ?

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 12 Mar 2013 11:33

Dawnee,

If you’re a birth relative of an adopted person, you can add yourself to the Adoption Contact Register to express an interest in finding your family.

Go to: https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records

Good luck

dawnee1965

dawnee1965 Report 12 Mar 2013 11:22

im looking for my brother gary spencer tracy thompson born august 21st 1962 ive got his birth certicicate his dad and mum wernt married he was addopted not long after my mum gave birth they lived in felixstowe not sure if his name changed ect once been addopted how do i find out what i can do to try trace him

Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 31 Jan 2013 22:41

Norcap has closed, as can be seen in http://www.afteradoption.org.uk/news/aaa-norcap-ceases-trading

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 21 Dec 2012 14:47

Doreen,

I have to admit that your post has me a little confused. You state that you are trying to trace your mother in law but you already appear to have quite a lot of information about her past already. Is it her that you are trying to trace her or is it her birth ancestors that you wish to find more about?

Is she is still alive and if so are you in contact with her?

doreen

doreen Report 20 Dec 2012 21:28

hi, can you advise.trying to trace mother-in-law. born out of wedlock and taken from ireland by aunt and sent to devon to live with possible uncle who became her adoptive parent. where can i start search on a tight budget.

many thanks
doreen :-S

~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 10 Dec 2012 15:39

Hi Jonesey,

Thanks very much once again. Your help has been very much appreciated, and quite informative regarding the birth registration, so thanks for that little gem, explains a lot.

I have passed on the info you have given me and he says he's going to contact Soc Services in the New Year.

Many many thanks again, and we'd like to wish you and your family a very Happy Christmas and All the Very Best for a Happy New Year.

Lou x

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 7 Dec 2012 13:02

Lou,

Although I am not 100% certain I am fairly sure that the letters and numbers beside his original birth registration in the index you refer to relate to the certificate issued when he was adopted.

My understanding is that when someone is adopted an" Adoption" certificate is issued. This will show his adopted name, his original birth date, original registration district and it will give details of his adoptive parents as if they had been his natural parents. Strictly speaking this is not a replacement birth certificate but to all intents and purposes looks and acts as one. Its issue will not appear in the index as a normal birth would but the letters and numbers you mentioned will indicate to the GRO staff where full details of the issue of his new certificate appear in the records.

It is worth remembering that until relatively recently adoption was viewed as complete separation from ones birth family and it was envisaged that neither the natural parents or adoptee, would be able to contact one another once the adoption process had been completed.

The lads best course of action is to contact Social Services, which if he is now an adult (Has attained 18 years of age), need not involve his adoptive parents. Social Services will advice him further.

~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 6 Dec 2012 13:58

Hi Jonesey,


I've a few more questions if you don't mind.


I've found his natural birth reg but along side of the page & volume numbers there appears another set of numbers followed by the letter S, can you tell me why and or what this is please?

He was adopted when he was 2 years old but we cannot find any birth reg with his new name which matches the natural Mother's maiden name. I am presuming of course that because the adopted parents changed his name he would have a new birth certificate confirming this, if this is so - then would his natural mother's maiden name be on it or his adopted mother's maiden name - if that makes sense?


Thanks again Lou

~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 1 Dec 2012 08:16


Hi Jonesey,

Thanks very much for your advice and where to start looking. I shall widen the search now for him, it did occurred to me he could be registered under both surnames. I will give him all the info you have supplied.

Thanks very much once again, your a little treasure.

I know it's early but ..Happy Christmas.

Lou x

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 27 Nov 2012 13:31

Lou,

If the information he has about the hospital where he was born in and his natural parents is accurate then it should not be that difficult to find his birth registration.

Firstly his birth should have been registered under his natural fathers surname if his parents were married, under his natural mothers surname or possibly under both surnames if his parents were not married. In all cases his mothers maiden surname should appear as such in the index. It is worth considering that perhaps the surname that the lad has for who he believes was his natural mother may not have been her maiden name. For example if she had been or was still married to someone other than the man the lad believes was his natural father.

As far as where his birth was registered then most obvious starting point is the registration district in which the hospital was or in one of the registration districts surrounding the hospitals location. A factor to consider however is that the birth might have occurred in a location that was not where the mother normally lived and that it was registered later in the district where the mother normally lived. One of my son's friends was born slightly prematurely in Bristol whilst his mother was temporarily away from home. His birth was however registered in Birmingham once his mother returned to her home. I am not 100% sure of the mechanics for doing this but I believe that in such circumstances the person registering the birth has to make a declaration as to the reasons why the birth was not registered in the district where it actually occurred.

Have you checked for late registration of the birth? Births have to be registered within the 6 weeks following the actual date of birth. This can often mean that whilst the birth occurred during one quarter its registration might quite legitimately not be registered until the next quarter has begun.

Whilst your daughter's boyfriends adoptive parents feelings certainly need to be carefully considered if he has reached adulthood then it is his legal right to discover more about his natural parents should that be what he wants to do. If he knows where he was adopted then his first move should be to contact Social Services in that area as it will be they who should have his adoption file. Once his file has been located Social Services will council him before divulging information about his natural parentage to him.