Genealogy Chat

Lorraine, I brought forward again for you the information thread (at the bottom of the page right now, the board is not fast moving :-))
It is invaluable to keep in your bookmarks :-)

Hi Ladies
I am overwhelmed with your kind help on this, please don't think I was ignoring you yesterday, FAR FROM IT. I was digesting and today I am going to print everything out and tomorrow whilst I am off work, spend the time collating it all ready to show the Mother in Law on Sunday : )
You have both done phenominally well, gathering all this data and making it "link" into a story ....

THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN
PS...I have my PM's also which I am printing out :-D

LOL Anne, that's the worst about this site, they don't let you know when somebody has added to the thread, before you post.

Sorry Maura,
I realised too late.... and,we must have been adding messages and apologies at the same time

Anne

I'm afraid your wrong Anne, William James wife was Marianne Rosborough. In the 1911 census it states he was married 11 years, with 4 children born & 4 living.
Children of William James Evan & Mary Rosborough
William James 1902
Samuel Lyons 1904
John Alexander 1908
Ethel Mary 1910
Andrew Lee 1913
Ernest Lyle 1914
Herbert Oliver 1916
Matthew George 1917


Census Years1911LondonderryBanagherTerrydreenResidents of a house
Residents of a house 22 in Terrydreen (Banagher, Londonderry)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Evans Margaret 61 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Derry Seamstress Read - Widow - 40 7 6
Evans William J 36 Male Son Presbyterian Co Derry Farmers Son Read and write - Married - 11 4 4
Evans Mary Amn 28 Female Daughter in Law Presbyterian Co Derry Farmers Son Read and write - Married - 11 4 4
Evans William J 9 Male Grand Son Presbyterian Co Derry Scholar Read and write - - - - - -
Evans Samuel L 7 Male Grand Son Presbyterian Co Derry Scholar Read write - - - - - -
Evans John A 2 Male Grand Son Presbyterian - Scholar Cannot read - - - - - -
Evans Ethel M 1 Female Grand Daughter Presbyterian - Scholar Cannot read - - - - - -
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Maura,
Apologies.... I think you could be right about William James marrying Marianne.

Anne

Hi Maura,
I sent Lorraine a PM yesterday saying as much
However...
William James married Mary Ann Welsh in 1911. That is his him with his new wife on the 1911 return.
William James who married Marianne was a different man and can also be located in 1911 elsewhere in Londonderry
I also found Robert Alexander's marriage to Mary Ann Smith.... they did moved to Glasgow and are the family at 106 York Terrace in1901
His parents are not in their household but of course, you have already located the mother at the home of Eliza Jane in Glasgow .
Would need to purchase that 1901 census to determine if mother Margaret was a widow or not, if she was a widow then SHE would be the missing head of household from her Derry home.

Anne

Last 1

William James Evans married Marianne F Rosborough 20 May 1900 Banagher Presbyterian Church

This could be Maggie

Margaret Sarah Evans maaried William Montgomery 31st May 1906 Banagher Presbyterian Church

Census Years1911LondonderryFeenyFeeny Town (a)Residents of a house
Residents of a house 25 in Feeny Town (a) (Feeny, Londonderry)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Montgomery William 27 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Derry Farmer Read and write - Married - - - -
Montgomery Margaret 25 Female Wife Church of Ireland Co Derry - Read and write - Married - 5 - -
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Found Robert & Eliza's marriages

Robert Alexander Evans married Mary Ann Smyth 23rd March 1899 Learmount Church of Ireland, Co. Derry.

Elizabeth Jane Evans married Samuel Kennedy 23rd June 1896 Banagher Presbyterian Church

This is her with her mother visiting her 1901
Name: Lizzie J Kennedy
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Samuel Kennedy
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil parish: Glasgow Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 1 St John Street
ED: 62
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_289
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Kennedy 29
Lizzie J Kennedy 28
Samuel Kennedy 2
William Kennedy 21
Margaret Evans 52

If Andrew is the child that died this could be his death
Name: Andrew Evans
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Death Age: 12
Registration district: Londonderry
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 104
FHL Film Number: 101599

Now we have only Eliza Jane & Margaret to find

If Wilfred was'nt born until after 1921 GRONI in Belfast is the only place you'll get his birth cert from.

Annie found some of these birth, but these are all children of William Evans & Margaret Lyons
Eliza Jane 1872
William James 1874
Robert A 1876
Samuel 1879
John 1881
Andrew 1884
Margaret 1887

Now other than William James & Samuel I can't find marriage for any of the rest.

This could be Robert A Evans 1901
Name: Robert A Evans
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Ann Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: co Derry, Ireland
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil parish: Glasgow Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 106 York Terrace
Occupation: Carter
ED: 62
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_289
Household Members: Name Age
Robert A Evans 24
Mary Ann Evans 21
Catherine S Evans 9

Lorraine
Margaret Lyon and William Evans had 7 children with 6 still living @1911.
I believe that missing child from the list is :Andrew Evans b 1884 in Londonderry.

I am assuming that he is the one who died, but not all of the children are accounted for between the 1901 and 1911 censuses

Anne

Hi Lorraine,
I don't know how I might work out if there was a Wilfred in the family but I will root around and see.
John Evans son of William Evans and Margaret Lyon married in York, Ontario, Canada.
He w married Mary Jane Wilson on 22 June 1909.
She was the daughter of Samuel Wilson and Charlotte Jane Couttland.

This marriage record is held on Ancestry and has been transcribed incorrectly.
It is filed for 1907 marriage when the actual says 1909.
I am not yet convinced that the bride's last name was Wilson.

Anne

Just had a proper look at the 1911 for 22 Terrydreen and can see Samuels Brother William James with his Mum, Wife and kids.....what threw me for a minute was that he too has chosen Samuel and John as kids names and has a William James aged 9....I thought I was bad having four cousins the same age named Tracey! haha

Great stuff
Lorraine

FANTASTIC!! this is really good and makes sense (now I am at home and not at work :-D).

I like the Canada connection too as it may be a coincidence, but my Mother in Law says one her Granddads Brothers (Granddad is William James b. 1913) went to Canada also so we assume this would have been in the 1920 / 30's..he could have been following his Uncle John?

How have youmanaged to find this so quickly? I am really pleased and thankful.

Chancing my luck would we "you" be bale to find out if Wilfred Evans , Brother of William James 1913 existed or if this has been dreamt?

Like you I had not scrolled down on the 1901 census ....a lesson learned!!

A big big thanks once again

Lorraine

Maura,
My apologies.
There are so many posts now that I totally missed yours re William Evans and Margaret Lyon.

Other folk's trees are much more fun than one's own.
I do hope Lorraine is keeping up with all this?

Anne

Oh right, got you now.

Maura,
Just seen your messeage re the 1901 census.
This is what I meant....
William J Evans had been entered as a "Son" to head of household.
There was no head listed on the return.
As the Head of the household would normally sign the return, I scrolled down to see who's signature was on ithe bottom, and spotted the annotation re Scotland

I already work that out Anne, 6 posts up