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Finding relatives who were in service

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jan 2013 22:49

S'ok Kath ....... it easily happens!!

I've tried looking for probate for both father and son, but nothing is showing up on ancestry.



I think buying the birth certificates for Kathleen b 1901 and Henry born 1900 is going to be the only way to be certain of mother's maiden name.

Then buy the marriage certificate for Georgina and William ............. that should give the full names of them both AND the names of the fathers.


they don't seem to have had the babies baptised ............... or at least, if they did, the parish registers have not yet been transcribed.




sylvia

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:43

Sorry Sylvia,

Got so taken up with looking for the father that I completely forgot about the son and thought you were suggesting a death for the father.

Kath. x

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 22:36

2 different deaths I think Kath - father and son

William HGA b 1869 died 1951 Poole
Henry GJA b1899 died 1938 Sturminster

Thanks for looking at the 1911 original and seeing what had actually been written - got distracted and didn't look that far!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jan 2013 22:36

Kath


I posted what I think is the son's death, not father's ............. look at his age, and suggested birth date


I was trying all round the hills to find more on the parents, and came across that one.



KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:29

Sylvia,

I think GlitterBaby posted the correct death at the top of this page.

Kath. x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jan 2013 22:17

???????????/


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Henry G J A Taylor

Name: Henry G J A Taylor
Birth Date: abt 1899
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Sturminster
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 185

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jan 2013 22:10

This looks like the birth registration for Kathleen Maud's brother Henry

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
Taylor Henry George JA St. Thomas 5b 45


and that, of course, is the same place where Kathleen Maud M was registered


Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
Taylor Kathleen Maud M St. Thomas 5b 46



The 1911 Census said both were born in Cowley, Devon. ......... ie, born in the same place.


St Thomas registration district does not include Cowley ................... but on the other hand, Kathleen Maud is not shown on the 1901 Census, where Henry is about 1 year old.



It is entirely possible that Maud dropped her 3rd name in later life!




sylvia

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 22:04

I think Stuart has found him using his second name!!

I think the Henry Taylor on the 1911 census is the one we are looking for. He has been transcribed as age 29 but on the image he is actually 43. and married.

I think the transcriber has typed his name and then taken the rest of the details from the next person on the list. The person before him and the person after him are both aged 29 and visitors. However Henry is described as "servant", NOT a visitor.

It also states in the column for how many years married after Henry's name "15" which would be right for the marriage to Georgina (although this number is crossed out probably because it is only meant to be written in for females).

Kath. x

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 19:47

I wonder if William is on staff at Rushmore House in 1911 but not on census? There are plenty of housemaids, ladys maids, domestic staff etc but the Butler isn't mentioned.

There is a Henry Taylor aged 29 b 1882 Swanage, Dorset on the census in the house. He is Single, a Butler and described as a Visitor. A relative perhaps or just coincidence. (Swanage is where William HGA and family were in 1871. Not finding him on previous census though.

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 19:27

Reepham, Norfolk

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 18:53

1911 my best offer and not got a clue as to the birth place

Name: Wiliam Taylor
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Reepham
Civil parish: South Stoke North Stoke Easton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Stoke Rochford Grantham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Under Butter
Registration district: Grantham
Registration District Number: 417
Sub-registration district: Grantham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 19662

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 18:18

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-320283-rushmore-house-berwick-st-john-

So the wife in 1911 is in the right area for the house

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 16:58

Well William is not with Edgell family in 1911 census

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 16:49

By 1881 the family are in Cullompton, Devon where father James Samuel was born - he is now a Gardener. William is not with the family. This is in Tiverton RD where William married Georgina

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 16:46

1901 but need to check the image - same area as wife and son for 1901

Name: William Taylor
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Swanage, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Upton Pyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Brampford Speke and Upton Pyne
Town: Upton Pyne
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Heavitree
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 2036
Folio: 43
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Wyatt Sdgell 62 - might be Edgell on image, living on own means
Francis Wyatt Sdgell 53
Lucy Priscilla Wyatt Sdgell 29
Cecil Wyatt Sdgell 19
Pamela Stuart 31
William Taylor 32
Kate Lake 31
Eliza Satter 38
Dora Langworthy 17
Elfreda Tancock 18
Reginald Tancock 16
Bertie Ford 23

Class: RG13; Piece: 2036; Folio: 43; Page: 5.


Married - butler domestic

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 16:46

Here's that William HGA in 1871 I think
1871 census transcription details for: High Street Willson Villa, Swanage


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1991
Folio: 15
Page: 21
Reg. District: Wareham
Sub District: Swanage
Parish: Swanage
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street Willson Villa, Swanage
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TAYLOR, James Saml Head M 27 1844 Cullompton, Devon Engine Driver
TAYLOR, Ann Wife F 31 1840 Dorset
TAYLOR, William H Son M 2 1869 Dorset
TAYLOR, Reginald Fredk Son M 0 1871 Dorset

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 16:40

At least we are all thinking along the same lines

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Jan 2013 16:38

No idea if right or not

Name: William H G A Taylor
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1951
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Poole
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 6a
Page: 744

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Jan 2013 16:37

?????????? A Long Shot - only one coming up with all the right names/initials albeit HArry not Henry

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: TAYLOR, William Harry G A
Registration district: Wareham
County: Dorset
Year of registration: 1868
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 305

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Jan 2013 16:31

I think it is GlitterBaby!!

Kath. x