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Finding info before 1837/1841

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Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 13:05

Thanks Potty..........misplaced decimal point. I was in a bit of a rush and didn't re-read before clicking submit

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 10 Feb 2013 10:35

Another tip,

when you find a record, it is usualy transcribed from the original,

Always check the original image where possible

transcriptions often have errors

Roy

Potty

Potty Report 10 Feb 2013 10:22

Just a slight correction to one of Reggie's posts - certs cost £9.25 not £92.5! This is the site to order them from:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

To get the cert at the above price, you will need to quote the vol and page nos from the index. Also, tick the box that asks if you have the full ref.

Unfortuneatly, there is nowhere that you can see the details of an entry without buying the cert although some areas (eg London and parts of Yorkshire) are on some websites (eg Ancestry) and these sites show images of the original church registers.

When you get back to parish records (pre 1837) the info given is far less - fathers are not normally given on marriages and mother's maiden names are not on most baptisms, so absolute relationships are difficult to prove.

Good luck with your search and do come back if you need more help - and thank you for staying around to read the posts - most threads get an answer very quickly and it is very frustrating for helpers when people post and run!

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 10 Feb 2013 10:06

Ian, Most experienced researchers use as many free sites as possible but also use sites pay/subscription sites like Ancestry and Findmypast, GR is owned by the same company that owns Fiindmypast so all the records you access on GR come from their sister site

Their are several threads on this board witch list free sites see threads by Joy Kentish Maid and others



Roy

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:51

Ahh Thanks Roy

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:51

Also, where do you get your information from? is it from the freeBMD site?

thanks

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:50

Ian, We where all new to Genealogy once,
No shame in that

Try using other sites free sites in conjunction with GR for records

For BMD from 1837 up to abt 1960 use freebmd

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

when looking for an event BMD it's important to no which registration district it should be registered in so use this site to cross reference BMD's

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/

It will give you a list of civil parishes/places in each district

Roy

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:47

I kow where i have gone wrong, i was looking for someone in 1852 because i found a census record from1861 with a William Hopkinson, and Ann Hopkinson with several children, one being James who was 9 years old at the time. Due to the names and area matchig what i thought to be correct, and probably being over excited with it, ive gone off on a tangent. Thanks to you i can see my errors!

If i was to go to the records offics in Nottingham, would i be able to view originals before buying certs?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:39

Just to enlighten you................the BMD index is just that.......an index.

To see detailed info, you have to purchase certs...........they cost £9.25, ordered on line from the GRO

Edited to show correct price

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:37

So why have you been looking for someone born c1852?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:34

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Barge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849
Registration district: Southwell
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 15
Page Number: 797

Also on Page: John Hopkinson

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:32

i have found this for 1891:


1891 Census Household Record
Household Information:

Address Harold Street
Parish Aylestone
District Blaby, Wigston

Administrative County Leicestershire

Householder 1
Name James Hopkinson
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Rivetter Boot & Shoe
Birth Place Mansfield
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 2
Name Betsy Hopkinson
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Hosiery Runner
Birth Place Mansfield
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 3
Name Arthur Hopkinson
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Nottingham
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 4
Name Alice Hopkinson
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Chesterfield
Birth County Derbyshire



© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:28

You are putting me to shame here. Your right i need to slow down.

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:27

Reggie, yes your right. It is the 1911 census. That is them! Albert the hairdresser manager is my great grandad, and the other siblings are my dads great uncles and aunts.

I have a record for them all in 1901 census too, hang on let me find it

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:25

1861 census shows the husband of ANN (as per 1871) to have been named JOHN

1861 England Census
Name: John Hopkinson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Farnsfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southwell
Sub-registration district: Southwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2471
Folio: 24
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hopkinson 33
Ann Hopkinson 33
Susan Hopkinson 10
Mary Hopkinson 5
William Hopkinson 2

-----------------------------------------------------

?????????

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: John Hopkinson
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1827
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1827
Parish: Manchester, St Matthew
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Matthew
Father's Name: William Hopkinson
Mother's Name: Susannah Hopkinson
Reference Number: GB127.M403/7/1/1


Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:25

Well i dont know 100% that William and Ann are his parents - i worded it incorrectly really, what i should have said was:

I have located a birth record for a James Hopkinson born in 1852, the same year as my James Hopkinson was born, and in the correct nottingham area. However, the record doesnt state on genesreunited who the parents are, and when i view the original record, it just gives James's name and birth year and an archive reference. However, if i then input the birth information on familysearch.org which i believe is something to do with the church of latter day saints? the apparent same birth record shows up and states that the parents where William and Ann. Thats why i say that i cant verify that information 100%. If i was to go to the reocrd office and look up that reference number would that tell me the parents full names and Ann's maiden name?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:23

I'm afraid you may need to re-think.

You are, as far as can be deduced, 10 years 'out'

This is the census to which you refer......NOT 1901

1911 census


Person: HOPKINSON, Albert Address: 21 Market Place Carrington Nottingham

HOPKINSON, James Head Married26 years M 49 1862 Bootmaker And Repairer Nottinghamshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Betsy Wife Married26 years F 49 1862 Nottinghamshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Arthur Son Single M 24 1887 General Warehouseman Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Alice Daughter Single F 22 1889 Hosiery Machinist Chesterfield Derbyshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Albert Son Single M 19 1892 Hairdresser Manger Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Ethel Daughter Single F 19 1892 Hosiery Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Baden Son M 10 1901 Schoolar Nottingham VIEW

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:19

The same James in 1871

1871 England Census
Name: James Hopkinson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnsfield, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 3520
Folio: 49
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hopkinson 43
Susan Hopkinson 21
Mary Hopkinson 16
William Hopkinson 13
James Hopkinson 8
John Hopkinson 4 Months

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:18

I can find only ONE Albert in 1901 with parents James and Betsy


1901 England Census
Name: Albert Hopkinson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Hopkinson
Mother's Name: Betsy Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Carrington St John the Evangelist
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 3187
Folio: 131
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hopkinson 39****************
Betsy Hopkinson 39
Arthur Hopkinson 14
Alice Hopkinson 12
Albert Hopkinson 9
Ethel Hopkinson 9
Alfred B Hopkinson 9 Months


*****************Boot & Shoe maker, B. Farnsfield

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:11

You say that you 'know' that James's parents were William and Ann.......is this taken from his birth cert?

If so, you should know Ann's maiden name

Unless you have seen the parents on 1841 with children, you can't assume that to be a fact.