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happydaze

happydaze Report 18 May 2013 22:42

I'm in desperate need of advice if anyone can help I'd be very grateful......
I'm trying to research my aunts family but am struggling as have limited information and my aunt is very confused now!
Her father William Slater married Eleanor Ethel Young in April 1921, Bow Common, Mile End Old Town. William is my stumbling block as I do not seem to be able to find any records on him, he possibly wasn't born in UK, his father was an Oscar Slater but was Scheffendecker/Scheiffendecker/Scheindegger???? I do not know if he changed his name on coming to UK or prior - came from Germany? I cant find any records for him either.
The marriage cert for William and Eleanor say's that Oscar was a solicitor......
I guess the advice I'm after is How do I find out about name change? Why can I not find any records for Oscar incl. death cert? How do I find out When and if he really did come from Germany?
This side of the family may continue to be a mystery........

Regards
Christine :-S :-S :-S

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 May 2013 22:59

Just to give some idea of birth year

Name: William Slater
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age: 27
Spouse Name: Eleanor Ethel Young
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Apr 1921
Parish: Bow Common St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Oscar Slater
Spouse Father Name: Gordon Manley Young
Register Type: Parish Register

patchem

patchem Report 18 May 2013 23:14

?
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Oscar Slater
Year: 1904
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Poplar
Street Address: 149 High Street

happydaze

happydaze Report 18 May 2013 23:14

Hi Glitterbaby,

This is William and Eleanor's marriage cert. This doesn't help me with finding out whether William was born in the UK or Germany and any info on his father Oscar. Trying to find out if and when they came from Germany. Also don't understand why I don't seem to be able to find an other records for Oscar not even a death record.....I have tried using the Slater surname and also the Scheiffedecker?? surname. :-( :-S

Thank you for your help, it is much appreciated.

Christine

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:19

happydaze .................

GB posted the information from the marriage certificate so that she and other helpers would have a reference point for William's age ............................

this saved time in her having to ask you and then wait for your reply.

It is something that all the helpers do regularly ................ post the information that you know, but that we do not.

We have to get our head(s) around the family that you "know" so well.



Now we can proceed from there, and see what we might be able to find for a William Slater born ca 1894


always remembering that he might be Wilhelm, with any one of those surnames that you suggest.




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:20

Have you found William Slater's death certificate??

If so, what does it say on there re his birth date???



sylvia

patchem

patchem Report 18 May 2013 23:23

?
Deaths Mar 1906
Slater Oscar 50 W. Ham 4a 70

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:28

Possibly of use ................

Addresses given on the marriage certificate ....................

William:- 55 St Paul's Rd
William's occupation:- Shipping Broker

Eleanor:- Address:- 52 St Paul's Rd

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:30

always remember that people with Germanic names anglicised their names just before or just after the start of WW1 ..........

........... there was so much anti-German feeling at that time that it really was self-preservation.

Unfortunately, there is no need to go through any formal declarations to change your name, and it seems that most people do not use those legal channels, so there may be little evidence to find.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:36

?????????

from ancestry ..................

All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 results for Os?Ar Slater

Oscar Slater 1904 Tower Hamlets Poplar 149 Three
Oscar Slater 1905 Tower Hamlets Poplar 149 High-street
Oscar Slater 1930 Camden St Pancras 24 Mornington Crescent
Oscar Slater 1932 Camden St Pancras 24 Mornington Crescent
Oscar Slater 1933 Camden St Pancras 24 Mornington Crescent
Oscar Slater 1934 Camden St Pancras 24 Morninoton Crescent
Oscar Slater 1935 Camden St Pancras 24 Mornington
Oscar Slater 1936 Camden St Pancras 24 Mormgnton Crescent

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:41

??????????????

occupation is wrong

I asked for Os?ar Slater


1901 Census

Name: Ostar Slater
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Minna Slater
Gender: Male
Where born: Germary German Subject

Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration District: Stepney
Sub-registration District: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 11

Ostar Slater 47 Builder & Decorator
Minna Slater 46 b.ca 1855, Germany
Richard Slater 10 b.ca 1891, London
Wilby Slater 7 b.ca 1894, London
William Dahlke 34
John Smith 21
Herman Adolf 33

Address:- 729 Commercial Road


EDIT:-

It is Ostar, or possibly Oster, and Wilby on the image

patchem

patchem Report 18 May 2013 23:41

Definitely a solicitor, not a dentist?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 May 2013 23:43

That census record fits with the death records that patchem found ..............

from ancestry ...............

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Oscar Slater
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Age at Death: 50
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 70

patchem

patchem Report 18 May 2013 23:43

?
Minna Slater
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 446

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 00:24

???????????????/

Richard and Willy in 1911???


1911 Census

Name: Richard Slater
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stepney
Civil Parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 149 High Street, Poplar E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: SHORTHAND and SHIPPING CLERK
Registration District: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration District: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Richard Slater 19
Willy Slater 16 b.ca 1895, Stepney, Shorthand &Shipping Clerk

There is a notation that both were Born in England of German Parents


It IS Willy on the image

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 00:46

Trying another tack ................

Eleanor Ethel Young was born June quarter 1892, Poplar, London


according to a Public Family tree on ancestry ......................

William Slater died Age: 86 12 Jan 1981, Southend on Sea, Essex

NOTE:- ........... this information might actually be from Christine's own tree


If accurate, this could be the death registration ................


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about William Slater

Name: William Slater
Birth Date: 1 May 1894
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1981
Age at Death: 86
Registration District: Southend on Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2923


This then looks as if it could be his birth registration, albeit late ................

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Slater

Name: William Slater
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 593


I would be tempted to buy this birth certificate, to see who is named as mother and father, occupation of the father, and address







SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 01:04

????????????????

Richard Slater in 1891?????

1891 Census

Name: Richard Schiefferdesker
Age: 1/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Uskar Schiefferdesker
Mother's Name: Minnie Schiefferdesker
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End Old Town, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Augustine
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration District: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration District: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Uskar Schiefferdesker 37 b.ca 1854, Germany, Book Seller
Minnie Schiefferdesker 35 b.ca 1856, Germany
Constance Schiefferdesker 2 b.ca 1889, Germany
Richard Schiefferdesker 1/12
Jeremiah D Lane 35 Boarder
John Goarbe 40 Boarder
Christian Owradel 23 Boarder

Address:- 8 Union Row

Names are as on the image


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 01:13

??????????????

Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)

Schiefferdecker Constanze 5 St. G. East 1c 225

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 01:17

from the 1891 Census, it looks as if Oscar / Uskar and Minna / Miniie Schieffendesker / Schieffenderker moved to England between Constanze / Constance's birth in 1889 and Richard's birth in March 1891


............. the 1891 Census was taken on the night of 5 April 1891, and ti says on there that Richard was 1 month old.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2013 01:34

It would seem that the name change to Slater came between the 1891 Census, and about 1897