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Why might I not be able to find a death?

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Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Aug 2013 10:26

For INFO

1911 census


Person: CLEWORTH, Reuben Address: 20 Edditch Grove Tonge Bolton

CLEWORTH, Israel Head Widower M 59 1852 Ironfoundry Blacksmith Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Reuben Son Single M 35 1876 Striker For Blacksmith Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Levi Son Single M 22 1889 Tinplate Workers Labourer Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, John Son Married M 34 1877 Machine Fitter Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Amelia Wife Of John Married12 years F 32 1879 Houseduties Wigan Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Mary Alice Daughter F 11 1900 School Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Hannah Daughter F 9 1902 School Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Sarah Daughter F 6 1905 School Atherton Near Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, John Son M 3 1908 Bolton Lancashire VIEW
CLEWORTH, Levi Boarder Single M 62 1849 Iron Nut And Bold Maker Atherton Lancashire

patchem

patchem Report 23 Aug 2013 20:08

Thanks, Rose and mgnv.
I did mean that the birth originally quoted was in doubt as far as I could see.

mgnv

mgnv Report 23 Aug 2013 21:26

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1844 CLEWORTH Rhuben Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/5/289
1846 CLEWORTH Simeon Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/6/291
1848 CLEWORTH Levi Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/8/90
1850 CLEWORTH Israel Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/9/328
1853 CLEWORTH William Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/11/124
1854 CLEWORTH Ellen Atherton Wigan & Leigh MAKIN ATH/12/370

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CLEWORTH John MAKIN Ann Leigh St. Mary's Wigan & Leigh C10L/1/427

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 15 Mar 1844 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancs.
John Cleworth - Full age Nail Maker Bachelor of Atherton
Ann Makin - (X), Full age Spinster of Atherton
Groom's Father: John Cleworth, Weaver
Bride's Father: William Makin, deceased, Collier
Witness: Richd. Aldred; Samuel Whittle
Married by Banns by: Edwin L. Blinkinsopp Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1845, Page 214, Entry 427
Source: LDS Film 1885652

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CLEWORTH Israel HOWARD Hannah Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/20/89


1881 England Census
Civil Parish: Atherton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Park St
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-registration District: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 3809 Folio: 122 Page Number: 30

John Cleworth 72 Atherton, Lancashire, England Head M Labourer At A Cotton Mill
Ann Cleworth 56 Atherton, Lancashire, England Wife M
Levi Cleworth 32 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Bolt Maker
Israel Cleworth 30 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son W Bolt Maker
Ann Cleworth 7 Atherton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Scholar
Rueben Cleworth 5 Atherton, Lancashire, England Grandson Scholar
John Cleworth 4 Atherton, Lancashire, England Grandson Scholar


1861 England Census
Civil Parish: Atherton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Park View
Registration District: Leigh
Sub-registration District: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 192
Piece: 2805 Folio: 22 Page Number: 37

John Cleworth 51 Atherton, Lancashire, England Head M Throstle ?? Forger
Ann Cleworth 56 Atherton, Lancashire, England Wife M Silk Weaver
Reuben Cleworth 14 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son U Bolt maker ap
Levi Cleworth 12 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Bolt maker ap
Israel Cleworth 10 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Bolt maker ap
William Cleworth 8 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Bolt maker ap
Ellen Cleworth 6 Atherton, Lancashire, England Daughter Bolt maker ap
Joseph Cleworth 56 Atherton, Lancashire, England Brother W Silk Weaver

This mob is easier to trace - also, right now, Ancestry are giving free access to their UK census records - they say:
All our UK census records will be available to search for free from 00:00 BST on 23rd August 2013 until 23:59 BST on 26th August 2013. To view these records you will need to register for free with Ancestry.co.uk with your name and email address.

I suggest you follow your Cleworth mob thru the censuses, downloading their census records as you find them. You could also do the same for all the potential Eliz's - put them in a folder for now, and move them out when you know whch is yours, but keep the rest - they might be her rellies for all anyone knows right now.


Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 23 Aug 2013 22:18

Just to add, if this is Reuben's burial, then his wife died in 1968 and was buried in the same grave.....

Burial: 18 May 1947 Christ Church, Walmsley, Lancashire, England
Reuben Cleworth -
Age: 71 yrs
Abode: 5 Old Globe Egerton
Grave: No. 166 Ex. 'A'
Buried by: C. R. Shawcross Asst. Curate
Register: Burials 1943 - 1955, Page 35, Entry 279
Source: Register at Manchester Library



Burial: 4 Mar 1968 Christ Church, Walmsley, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ann Cleworth -
Age: 85 years
Abode: 49 The Crescent Bromley Cross
Grave: 166 EXA
Buried by: J.W. Sutcliffe Vicar of St. Luke Halliwell
Register: Burials 1955 - 1975, Page 71, Entry 561
Source: Register at Manchester Library


She was 85 when she died in 1968, so that would make her year of birth 1882 - 1883.


Burials from Lancashire Online Parish Clerks..... http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Sheryl

Sheryl Report 24 Aug 2013 13:56

The above Elizabeth Ann Cleworth was living across the road from what is now my Mum's house when she passed away. It's council run sheltered accommodation and always has been as far as I'm aware. I really hope it's my Elizabeth Cleworth, what a coincidence it would be!!

Thanks so much everyone, I have been following the census entries and have found most of those quoted above.

I can see that it seems the marriage produced 6 children but on closer inspection the date's make it impossible for all 6 to be Elizabeth's children, perhaps a couple of them are niece's or nephews. More searching needed there.

I have ordered the marriage certificate which will provide some certainty, thank you very much for all the help :)

patchem

patchem Report 24 Aug 2013 14:04

Your opening post had Elizabeth born in 1898, but the Elizabeth buried with Reuben was born about 1883.

Have you any explanation for the conflicting dates?

Sheryl

Sheryl Report 24 Aug 2013 14:21

The Elizabeth born in 1898 is my best guess at the correct Elizabeth, I do not know for sure if she is the right Elizabeth. I have ordered the marriage certificate to help clear this up. It would be very exciting if I was wrong and the correct Elizabeth is in fact the one above.

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Aug 2013 20:24

Sheryl - I don't see what you're seeing. The GRO index entries I quoted from http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ don't rely on the date of birth, but do say which quarter the birth was registered in. One normally has 6 weeks in England to rego a birth. There actually is no time limit, but the older it is, the more adminstrative hoops you have to jump thru, until it becomes impossible as all the potential qualified informants are dead.

Anyways, there's nothing in my post to contradict all 6 kids being born on Christmas Day. Here's a couple of examples of other kids:

Baptism: 11 Jan 1860 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Christmas Yates - [Child] of Jabez Yates & Elizabeth
Born: 25 Dec 1859
Abode: Finch St.
Occupation: Soda Water Maker
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1860, Page 146, Entry 1164
Source: LDS Film 1656561

Baptism: 23 Mar 1868 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Christmas Evans - [Child] of Edward Evans & Mary Ann
Born: 25 Dec 1867
Abode: Edmund Street
Occupation: Draper
Baptised by: R. J. Fairclough Curate of Liverpool
Register: Baptisms 1864 - 1885, Page 26, Entry 206
Source: LDS Film 1656373

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
YATES George Christmas Liverpool 8b 204 Scan available - click to view

Births Mar 1868 (>99%)
Evans William Christmas Liverpool 8b 122

My niece was born just before Xmas, but not rego'ed until the first week of Jan, so she too appears in the volume for the March quarter of the year following her birth. It's sort of similar to bank statements - they've nothing to do with when you wrote out the checque - only when it got cashed.