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Not Wanted James Colvill

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Renes Report 2 Mar 2014 19:34

just got back to this

As you know I received your email .......... and it was much appreciated

am doing a tree for him. on my other ( new ) lappie that has latest FTM on

Thank you :-D


Dame*Shelly*("\(*o*)/") Report 2 Mar 2014 11:25

all though the lodger was 62 in the 1861 census
im woundering if maybe he is the father of james
and maybe that is how he got the name as not wanted

think it is all maybe if and buts :-(

but thank you all for your intrest


jax Report 28 Feb 2014 14:59

Alfred was in Australia by then so he wasn't at the baptism....I have a couple in my family where the father was either invented or another where the mother was living with another man and has the child baptised a couple of hundred miles from where the child was born with I presume the real fathers name (not that I have ever found a marriage for this couple)


Potty Report 28 Feb 2014 14:35

Could this be the baptism of James's sister Eliza - quite a long time after her birth but maybe James's death prompted mum to have her baptized; Alfred shown as Engineer; address: 44 Union St

Eliza Jane Colvill
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:30 Jun 1861
Father's Name:Alfred Benjamin Colvill
Mother's name:Eliza Colvill
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Paul, Westminster Bridge Road
Register Type:Parish Registers


Sylvia Report 27 Feb 2014 22:19

Thanks for letting us know. Bless him and all the other little ones who died young. It was so common then I don't know how people coped with it.

Kim Annette

Kim Annette Report 27 Feb 2014 21:52

Thanks for keeping us up to date... I was also hoping Not Wanted was a mistake... :-( :-( :-(


Dame*Shelly*("\(*o*)/") Report 27 Feb 2014 17:29

yes jax mother did registered both birth and death cert

thay both have the mark of eliza

Renes i have sent you an email


jax Report 27 Feb 2014 15:57

I still think the 'Not wanted' part is some sort of mistake when registering the birth myself.

Eliza was illiterate so she probably didn't realise what was on the cert??

Was it the mother who registered both?


Dame*Shelly*("\(*o*)/") Report 27 Feb 2014 14:34

The moment we have all been waiting for

1 birth cert
1 death cert

so i can confirm that yes Eliza and Alfred Colvill are Not Wanted James parents
and poor little thing died of Tabes Mesenterica (TB)

Tabes Mesenterica
Tuberculosis of lymph glands inside the abdomen. An illness of children caused by drinking milk from cows infected with tuberculosis. Now uncommon as milk is pasteurised

shelly xxx


Sylvia Report 26 Feb 2014 22:41

I thought you were going to say they had arrived, I was all excited lol.


Dame*Shelly*("\(*o*)/") Report 26 Feb 2014 22:31

Im still waiting for the certs to come and as they never came today
hoping they will come in tomorrow post

my post man comes around 11am


Flip Report 19 Feb 2014 19:13

My thought exactly, and if "not wanted" was true how he lived. it's really sad.

Is this something someone came across a while ago, I seem to remember another thread with "not wanted" as a Christian name?

ADDED, sorry didn't read your OP very well I realise this came from another thread.


Dame*Shelly*("\(*o*)/") Report 19 Feb 2014 16:22

thank you all for your intreast

i will let you all no the out come when the certs get here
hopefully by the end of next week

edit.... im now wondering how he died


jax Report 19 Feb 2014 15:55

He died at a few months old anyway.....It wasn't compulsary to register a birth back then and it wasn't compulsory to give the correct names when marrying.....not sure whether birth cert would need to be shown when registering a death? I said the parents did not have to register his birth if they didn't want to

As it looked like Eliza would of registered his death.....maybe she just handed over the birth cert for the details as she could not write herself?


wisechild Report 19 Feb 2014 15:46

Maybe the registrar wasn´t as bright as he might have been & having asked for a 2nd Christian name, he mistook the parents response of "not wanted" & entered it in the records, making it the poor chap´s legal name & he was stuck with it for the rest of his life.
If it was on his birth cert, which is a legal document, it would also be on his death cert (& probably his marriage cert too)


Renes Report 19 Feb 2014 13:24

Ah well

Likely to be wishful thinking on my part then :-\


Thelma Report 19 Feb 2014 13:09

He is in a tree on Ancestry/Mundia.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Feb 2014 12:44

Picture the scene –

Mum (or Dad) goes to register the birth.
“What is his name?
“We haven’t really thought about it. He's not wanted. Errr….James.”

Alternatively –
“James. He's not wanted”

Until records of him were found on Census, a thought did surface that he might have been a foundling.


KathleenBell Report 19 Feb 2014 10:35

I think that if "Not Wanted" was referring to a middle name then it would probably only appear on the birth record. As it's on the death record as well.............who knows!!

Kath. x


Renes Report 19 Feb 2014 10:02

Is it at all possible ... That the " not wanted "
was referring to a middle name -

or is it wishful thinking on my part