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I am trying to find anything on my grandmother Margaret howard born I think in 1888 I don't know whether she was born maybe Scotland her father made piano's that carried his name of howard she married Frederick shepherd when she was 21 in Ongar church Essex & she lived in queens crescent hampstead heath please can you help me

Welcome to the boards Jennifer.

Do you have a copy of her MC? If so, who does she name as her father?

If the witnesses aren't from Frederick's side, they may be her relations. Have you identified all of them?

For what it's worth, she had a middle initial

Margaret F Howard
Spouse Surname:Shepherd
Registration Year:1912
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:Billericay
Volume:4a
Page: 1153

Hello Jennifer
Do you know the names of margarets parents please. Did Margaret have a middle name with the initial F.

Sylvia

Detective I was to late you beat me to it.
:-)

Please carry on - I'm on my way to bed ;-) :-)

Me to goodnight

is this her?

Name: Margaret Florence Shepherd
Birth Date: 2 Jan 1892
Date of Registration: Dec 1971
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 858

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Name: Margaret Florence Howard
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kentish Town, London, England
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 6 Woodbury Rd, Church Hill, Walthamstow, Ne
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: servant
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 9693
Household Members:
Name Age
George Newell Bungard 35
Alice Jessie Bungard 34
Herbert Geoffrey Bungard 9
Margaret Florence Howard 18


Birth a year later than the death record so maybe not correct

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Howard Margaret Florence Pancras 1b 159


With Frederick

Name: Margaret Shepherd
Year: 1919
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington
Street address: 88 Margaret

I don't think this is the right couple as the children were born in Billericay from 1913 to 1925

Do you already have her marriage cert as you mention the church she married in? Was she living at Queens Crescent at the time of her marriage or following her marriage?

What was her dads name ? You say he made pianos under his surname of Howard but haven't given his Christian name

If she was 21 at marriage in 1912 she was born circa 1892

The death cert gives her birth as 2 Jan 1892 so would have been coming up to 21 when she married

She may have said 21 already so as not to need her dads consent

Also of course the date of birth on the death cert could be wrong?

As this is Jennifer's first post I will send her a PM telling her how to get back to her thread.

I think this may well the family in 1901 with Margaret listed as Maggie - Her surname is a bad transcription of Howard!! All children born in St Pancras

1901
Name: Maggie Machoward
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Howard
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 95 Carlton Road
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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 154
Folio: 152
Page Number: 46
Household schedule number: 335
Household Members:
Name Age
William Howard 51 Pianoforte Maker b Kentish Town
Euphan Howard 21
Rosina Howard 19
John Howard 16
Jane Howard 14
Arthur Machoward 12
Alice Machoward 10
Maggie Machoward 8

1891 at the same address with all children born Kentish Town

Name: William Howard
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Howard
Gender: Male
Where born: Pemberton, London, England
[Pimlico, London, England]
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:
Piece: 136
Folio: 31
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
William Howard 40 Pianoforte Maker
Elizabeth Howard 40 b Westminster
Thomas Howard 13
Euphan Howard 12
Rosina Howard 7
John Howard 6
Jane Howard 4
Macarthur Howard 2
Alice Howard 4/12

Whilst I can't see a baptism of Margaret/Maggie I think this is one of the children's baptism's
Euphan Annie Howard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1879
Father's Name: William Edward Howard
Mother's name: Elizabeth Euphan Howard
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras

You really need Margaret Florence marriage cert if you don't have it to confirm her father, but if it is correct there is a possible marriage of her parents below

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1874
>>>Anderson Elizabeth Euphan St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 617
Cunningham Daniel Vincent St Geo Han Sq 1a 617
>>>HOWARD William Edmond St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 617
LEWIS Adelaide St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 617

Looks like William died in 1909 which could be why Margaret went into service

Name: William Edmund Howard
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: St Pancras
Volume: 1b
Page: 84

London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921 about Elizabeth Euphan Anderson
Name: Elizabeth Euphan Anderson
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1851
Baptism Place: Camden, Middlesex, England
Church: Oxendon Presbyterian Church
Father: Thomas Anderson
Mother: Euphan Anderson


Her father was a musician. Her parents are the Scottish connection. At least her mother is, some census records her father as being Irish.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ponsonby Terrace, St John the Evangelist, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Anderson Head Married Male 30 1821 Musician (Coldstream Guards) Scotland
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Euphan Anderson Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Scotland
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Andrew Anderson Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Scotland
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Margaret D Anderson Daughter - Female 2 1849 - St Johns, Middlesex
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Elizabeth C Anderson Daughter - Female 0 1851 - St Johns, Middlesex


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England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
Print individual transcription View image
First name(s) MARGARET DYKES
Last name ANDERSON
Birth year 1849
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WESTMINSTER ST. MARGARET
County London
Country England
Volume 1
Page 442

I don't quite understand what the letters & numbers are please could you shed some light on what they mean such as st. geo.h.sqr 1a 617 thankyou

Hello Jennifer

These letters and numbers are references for the marriages and births from FreeBMD which is a transcription of the Civil Registration index of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales free to search http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Using these reference numbers certificates can be ordered via the General Records Office (GRO) http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

st. geo.h.sqr 1a 617 means this particular marriage was in St George Hanover Square Registration District - Volume 1a Page 617 of the register (and in this case for the December Qtr of 1874)

Do come back if you need more information or there is anything else :-)

Kay

As Ongar is a separate registration district to Billericay, it is probable that they were married in the Billericay register office and had a separate wedding in a church (catholic or nonconformist?).

I checked the parish registers on SEAX for the Q4 1912 marriage in High Ongar, Chipping Ongar and Greenstead, and the marriage is not in any of those.

These WW1 records my belong to your Grandfather Frederick Shepherd, they confirm his wife as Margaret Florence Shepherd (Maggie crossed out) the address was, Remingtons Farm, Grey Hound Common, Little Warley.

Name: Fredk Shepherd
Gender: Male
Residence Place: Hemingtons Farm, Greyhound Common Little Warley
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 3028
Regiment Name: Essex Regiment
Number of Images: 33
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'Fredk Shepherd' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Fredk Shepherd Self (Head)