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we now have only one member of the martin family of 13 felton st hoxton to find,the last mention of him is in the 1901 census,he was henry martin he was born in 1888 at 15 collingwood rd walthamstow after this census the trail goes completley cold,there is just no trace of him,if anyone can come up with any suggestions we would be very grateful many thanks stephen marden

Have you looked to see if he was a WW1 casualty

Where was he living in 1901 as not seeing him

Is this the family ?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Felton Street, Shoreditch, London, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Martin Head Married Male 42 1849 Brass Finisher Middlesex, England Transcription
Emma Martin Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Swanscombe, Kent, England Transcription
James W Martin Son Single Male 15 1876 Errand Boy Swanscombe, Kent, England Transcription
Emma Martin Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Errand Girl Bermondsey, Middlesex, England Transcription
Charles J Martin Son Single Male 12 1879 - Hoxton, Middlesex, England Transcription
William Martin Son Single Male 9 1882 - Camberwell, Surrey, England Transcription
George Martin Son Single Male 7 1884 - Hoxton, Middlesex, England Transcription
Walter Martin Son Single Male 5 1886 - Hoxton, Middlesex, England Transcription
Henry Martin Son Single Male 3 1888 - Walthamstow, Essex, England Transcription
Alfred Martin Son Single Male 0 1891 - Islington, Middlesex, England Transcription

Just for ref, Alfred is not with parents ( nor is henry)

1911 England Census about Walter Martin
Name: Walter Martin
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 15 Seaford Road, Tottenham
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: West Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 7290
Household Members:
Name Age
William Martin 63
Emm Martin 59
Walter Martin 25
John Martin 18
Esther Martin 15

1901 England Census about Walter Martin
Name: Walter Martin
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: William Martin
Mother: Emma Martin
Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 276
Folio: 156
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members:
Name Age
William Martin 53
Emma Martin 50
Charles Martin 22
George Martin 19
Henry Martin 13
John Martin 8
Esther Martin 5
Emma Ballinger 23
Walter Martin 15

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UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Henry Martin
Name: Henry Martin
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1887
Departure Date: 4 Aug 1916
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Arabia
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Arabia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: P & O S N Co
Official Number: 105587
Master: W B Palmer

Shirley,

Yes that is the family and Henry is on the 1901 census aged 13.

We have looked at WW1 casualties and cant find him there

Rambling Rose,

Alfred died aged one in 1891 - will look up that passenger list entry, thanks,

Stephen

There is a possibilty that Henry joined the army - as did several of his brothers, but we cant find any enlistment for him. However, there is a Harry Martin from Walthamstow listed as being posted to Burma in the 1911 census. At that time he was away in Shwebo. It gives his age as 25 but it was not unusual for recruits to add a couple of years when joining up.

There is also a medal record for Henry and Harry Martin (same person) showing his army number as 636 (East Surrey Regt) and 24366 (The Queens Rgt) but we cant find any other reference to those numbers.

Regarding the outward passenger list for Bombay on the "Arabia", the only entry I can find for a Henry Martin returning from India is a chap living in Belfast. but no telling if that was him in the first place!

Perhaps the army record may be the best bet - but we've drawn a blank on those soldier numbers.

Thanks, Stephen

as you know we are having trouble finding out what happened to henry martin,one of our ancestors who lived in felton st hoxton and was last seen mentioned in the 1901 census,we dont think he moved abroad and we dont think he was killed in conflict,but we have found a henry martin convicted on two occasions in 1909 at old st police court,the age and location would add up,but we cant find any address etc,if anyone can come up with further information we would be very grateful many thanks stephen marden

Hello Stephen - do you have dates for those 1909 convictions? Might help with checking newspaper archives.

The dates of the convictions of which there were three not two were 21/6/07 for stealing bread 8/7/07 minor assault and 22/6/09 for a violent assault on a woman of which he received 6 months hard labour at wormwood scrubs,as i said if anyone can add anything we would be very grateful,by the way his occupation was a horsekeeper many thanks Stephen Marden

we are now quite sure henry served in the armed forces but we dont know which one,according to his oldest brother francis william,he does mention that his five surviving brothers were all in the forces in 1917,if you can add anything to this we would be very grateful many thanks stephen marden

1911 CENSUS
NAME: Harry Martin
AGE IN 1911: 25
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1886
BIRTH PLACE: Wathamstow, Essex, England
COUNTY/ISLAND: Military
COUNTRY: England
MILITARY UNIT: 2bn The East Surrey Regt
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 641
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: Burma and Andaman Islands
PIECE: 34979


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Hello Dizzy,

Thanks for posting that info. We have already come across that 1911 census entry and it is interesting that the birth year is ahown as 1886 - two years before Henry was born, but it was not unknown for recruits adding a year or two to their age when joining up.

He is shown as being in the East Surrey Regiment and we have a Medal Record for Henry/Harry Martin as being in the East Surrey Regmt as Soldier No 626 then in the Queens Regmt as No 24366.

So far we have not been able to find anything further on the soldier that held those numbers. Its looking promising but if anyone can find any further info on him it would be a great help.

Regards, Stephen

There is this marriage and corresponding military record but the service number is not the same ( 211281) he rejoined though so it is a possible?

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)

MARTIN Henry Richmond, S. 2a 656
STANDEN Bessie Richmond, S. 2a 656



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Harry Martin
Name: Harry Martin
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age at Enlistment: 31
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1909
Marriage Place: Registry Office Richmond
Residence Place: 5 North Parade, Richmond
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 4
Regiment Name: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery)
Number of Images: 24
Form Title: Record of Service
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Harry Martin Self (Head)
Bessie Elizabeth Stander

Indistinct on some pages, but appers to have been 33 yrs of age in 1919 He had a daughter Doris Sylvia Martin died 22 days old in 1918, and he was a Dairyman .

Might be helpful if only to eliminate?

Thanks Rambling Rose,

I think we can eliminate this Harry as in the 1911 Census he is shown as a Dairyman born in Richmond. The Harry martin we have been looking for has those Soldier Numbers 636 and 24366 in 1915 according to his Medal Roll when he was in the Queens Regiment.. As he was brought up in Hoxton, being a dairyman seems unlikely.

Stephen

Henry Martin
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name: Henry Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 13
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Hoxton, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-District: Hoxton Old Town
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Saviour'S
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
District/Parish/County: London, Middlesex

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its probably been the nearest we have been to finding out what happened to henry martin after the 1901 census,although we havent found him we still remain hopeful,its possible he may have gone back to live with his parents at 15 seaford road tottenham after the war or with his brothers,one thing which would be quite interesting is to look at some pictures of felton st and the surrounding areas including pubs etc,internet has only a few pictures of the area, would be very interested if anyone has any collections of pictures of the area once again thank you for your efforts stephen marden

If there is a Facebook group relating the area then it would be worth joining and asking on there for photos. I have managed to obtain copies of photos of where my grandfather was born and the houses in that area were demolished about 70 years ago