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I am trying to find out what happened to James Allison born in 1883 to James Allison and Mary Ann Allison.
He was christened in Regents Square and had a brother William Ernest who died and brother Edward Ernest who was my Grandfather.
I cannot find his death ( most likely soon after his birth I am guessing) No one in the family mentioned the brothers to my father and he always thought Ernest was an only child.
Can anyone help?
The family lived in Judd Street.
Thank you,
Linda

possibly -


Deaths Jun 1886

Allison James (aged 2) Holborn 1b 379

If below.

Chris :)

Burial Register summary

Allison James
Burial date 08 May 1886
Location Camden


Allison William Ernest
Burial date 26 June 1886
Location Camden

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(from above)

Oh how sad! Two children dying within a month.
Just as well she had another child very close to that date.
I guess their deaths might well be related to povertyor poor living conditions.
Thank you for taking the time to find these for me.
Linda

Perhaps another child?

Birth:
ALLISON, WILLIAM ERNEST (Mother's maiden name : COX )
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 770

Death:
First name(s) WILLIAM ERNEST
Last name ALLISON
Gender Male
Birth year 1888
Age 0
Death quarter 3
Death year 1888
District HOLBORN
County London
Volume 1B Page 417
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Did Mary Ann go on to live with Edward Cardwell?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
70a Ewart Road Forest Hill, Lewisham, London, England

Edward Cardwell Head Married Male Painter House 56 1855 Middlesex Hammersmith
Mary Ann Cardwell Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Kent Lewisham
Ernest Edward Allison Son Single Male Painter House 25 1886 Kings Cross Ldon
Edward Cardwell Son Single Male In A Brewery Bottle Washer 15 1896 Kent Forest Hill
William Henry Cardwell Son - Male School 8 1903 Kent Forest Hill
Robin Cardwell Son - Male School 7 1904 Kent Forest Hill
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So half siblings:

CARDWELL, EDWARD mmn: COX
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1201

CARDWELL, LENA VICTORIA mmn: COX
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1253
(possible death 1898)

CARDWELL, LILY mmn: COX
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1244
(death 1903)

CARDWELL, WILLIAM HENRY mmn: COX
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1259

CARDWELL, ROBIN mmn: COX
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1226

Marriages Sep 1881   (>99%)

Allison
 James
 
 Greenwich
 1d
1330
  
COX
 Mary Ann
 
 Greenwich
 1d
1330

Hi yes she did marry again following the death of her first husband who remains a solid brick wall .i don't know where he was born, can't find him on a census and have no death date or place for him. Obviously there was something happening in this family .. Maybe consumption? . I now I see a couple of possible records for james senior on deceased online although my dad thought he was ' lost at sea' . I will have to join the site and look into the records further .
My Dad remembered 'Nanny Cardwell' and some of the children I think Robin in particular.
It was a hard life ... I keep having 'who do you think you are ?' Moments !
Thank you once again
Linda

Sadly on the 1911 census it states married 16 years 13 children born only 4 still living

So she lost 9 children ,how very sad

Not picking up the marriage though

1901 census
Name: Edward Cardwell
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary A Cardwell
Birth Place: Hammersmith
Civil Parish: Lewisham
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:70 Ewart road.

Occupation:painter and paperhanger

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 559
Folio: 95
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Cardwell 46
Mary A Cardwell 42
Edward Cardwell 5
Lilly Cardwell 10 Weeks

1891 census
Name: Edward Cardwell
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sydenham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
Town: Forest Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:house painter

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 525
Folio: 130
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John Warman 58
Maria Warman 54
William Warman 25
Edward Cardwell 35
William Ligus 50


Looks like Mary had to go out to work
1891 census
Mary A Allison
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Forest Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:married

Education:

Employment status:servant and domestic

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 526
Folio: 108
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Balderston 41
Robert Balderston 18
Harold Yearwood 17
Marry William 78
Raglesald Harold 19
Mary A Allison 32

1901 census
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Name: Ernest Allison
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:butchers assistant

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 559
Folio: 133
Page Number: 35
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 45
Emma Vincent 49
Mary J Vincent 21
Jessie E Heaysmante 37
Charles Shapherd 19
Frank Lamsden 19
Ernest Allison 15

County Kent
Place Deptford
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 168
Marriage date 11 Jul 1881
Groom forename James
Groom surname ALLISON
Groom age 26 yrs
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 8 Pender Street, Deptford
Groom parish Saint Nicholas
Groom occupation Seaman
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname COX
Bride age 20 yrs
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 8 Pender Street, Deptford
Bride parish Saint Nicholas
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname ALLISON
Groom father occupation Brass finisher
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname COX
Bride father occupation Blacksmith
Witness Stephen FITCH
Witness Phillis PALMER

(think above witness might be below)

County Kent
Place Deptford
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 91
Marriage date 16 Dec 1874
Groom forename Arthur William
Groom surname PALMER
Groom age 20 yrs
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 5 Stowage, Deptford
Groom parish Saint Nicholas
Groom occupation Mariner
Bride forename Phillia Matilda
Bride surname FITCH
Bride age 19 yrs
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 4 Stowage, Deptford
Bride parish Saint Nicholas
Groom father forename William Thomas
Groom father surname PALMER
Groom father occupation Engine Fitter
Bride father forename Stephen
Bride father surname FITCH
Bride father occupation Parish Clerk and Sexton
Witness Stephen FITCH
Witness Mary Ann HALL
Register note Mark made by the Groom.

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

(adding above for reference, past 'Threads' coming up on google, doesn't look like Cardwell Marriage was found, or positive Death of James)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1310600

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1141639

Quite possibly lost at sea

He was a sailor aged 26 his father was also James Allison a brass finisher

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Name: James Allison
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Age: 26
Spouse: Mary Ann Cox
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1881
Parish: St Nicholas, Deptford
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: James Allison
Spouse Father: James Cox occ blacksmith
Register Type: Parish Register

registry of seamen
First name(s) James
Last name Allison
Birth year 1854
Birth place as transcribed Hemstey, Yorkshire
Birth place Hemstey
Birth county Yorkshire
Birth country England
Year -
Link to site http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7969975
Source Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Index of First World War Mercantile Marine Medals and the British War Medal
Archive reference BT 351/1/2472

heading is misleading because he isnt in ww1
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Reference: BT 351/1/2472
Description:
Medal Card of Allison, James
Place of Birth: Hemstey, Yorkshire
Date of Birth: 1854
Date: [1914-1925]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Language: English
Creator: Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen, 1872-1992
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Context of this record

First name(s) JAMES
Last name ALLISON
Birth year 1854
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District HELMSLEY
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 359
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Ernest Ed Allison
Age: 4
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1886
School: Manchester Street School
Borough: Camden
Admission Date: 4 May 1891
Parent: James (sailor)
Residence: 70 Judd Street
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A few Cox families in Judd Street in 1891- possibly staying with Mary's relatives??
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Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
Name: Ernest Allison
Birth Date: 1886
Admission Age: 8
Admission Date: 4 Aug 1894
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Lewisham
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham
Place: London, England
Title: Lewisham High Street Workhouse, 1894

Brought in by his mother, Mary Ann- destitute.

Taken out by mother, Mary Ann Allison

There are several entries for the workhouse from May- Aug 1894.

My goodness ! I haven't asked for help on here for a while ad I had forgotten how much help is available!
Most of the information confirms what i have and lots of new questions too.
I had thought maybe James was from scotland. One possible census record for 1891 has him at sea and from scotland. My dad said he was scottish but other relatives didn't think so so maybe he is the Yorkshire born James.
Never realised Ernest was in the workhouse and it looks like maybe his fathers death sparked this.
it seems this family survived some very hard times!

It might be worth investigating the possible cox relatives in Judd Street.
Mary Ann's father was James ( Hitchcock ) a blacksmith from Thetford Norfolk.
For some reason he called himself Cox when he married her mother, but just after Mary Ann was born he married again ( bigamously ) and left the family for a new wife Jane with whom he had a new family. He was tried at the old Bailey and found guilty

I wonder if maybe James Allison left the family in a similar way … I have no evidence apart from the twinkle in my dad's eye and his saying Sailors have 'a girl in every port'
He was in the Navy himself !
But No facts .. so Im still searching that elusive death !…

Thank you for all your help once again .

These are the Cox families in Judd Street in 1891- perhaps you'll know if there's any connection?:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judd Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

Leonard William Cox Head Married Male 29 1862 Joiner St Pancras, Middlesex,
Caroline Elizabeth Cox Wife Married Female 22 1869 - Bloomsbury, Middlesex,
Leonard Harry Cox Son - Male 0 1891 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judd Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

George Cox Head Single Male 40 1851 Draughtsman Wood Engraver St Pancras, Middlesex,
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judd Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

Mary Ann Cox Head Widow Female 54 1837 Supported By Her Sons East Dereham, Norfolk,
George Andrew Cox Son Single Male 19 1872 Post Office Sorter 2nd Class St Pancras, Middlesex,
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judd Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

Marian Cox Head Widow Female 50 1841 Needle Woman Middlesex, England
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(am just adding below I found from other 'Thread' for reference, if it would help more with things Naval!, apologies for not being able to stay, as about to go out!)

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
First name(s) James
Last name Allison
Relationship Crew
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth year 1853
Occupation Private R M S I (would think RMLI?)
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
County Kent
Registration district Sheppey
Vessel name Karrakatta
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 723
Folio 96
Page 5


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Karrakatta_(1889)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-service-records-1853-1928/

(Royal Navy ratings’ service records 1853-1928)

(a couple on above, one Scotland)

Chris :)

(also)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-marines-service-records-1842-1925/

(Royal Marines’ service records 1842-1925)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7762358

(and perhaps the one relating to 1891 Census)


Reference: ADM 159/39/2328
Name Allison, James
Register Number: 2328
Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Chatham Division
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 24 November 1882
Date of Birth: 24 February 1853

Edits (yes, looking at record through their image viewer, can make out what looks to be Karrakatta...)