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Looks like it, thanks for all your input.
The lady I am doing this for cant believe just how many of you out there messaged back with information.
She was pulling her hair out and it showed when I looked at her family tree on Ancestry and it showed 31 children to one set of parents, and they were duplicated several times as were the children.

Hopefully we`ve got her put back on the right track.

at least we got the right marriage of evan to annie and the correct birth :-)

Yes Chris got that too. Going for marriage cert next.

Deaths Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Jones Annie M 22 Pontypridd 11a 620

Possibly above then, you need Marriage Cert. to work back from...

Chris :)

Hi All,

Just got the birth certificate. Vivian`s mother was Annie Mary Edwards, born 27th February 1916, registered 3rd April 1916 and shows her as deceased, which according to Vivian she died within a month of his birth from peritonitis.

Now according to BMD Evan Jones who we know was Vivian`s father married a Annie Mary Edwards in the first quarter of 1915, in the district of Pontypridd.

I have just looked at my father's and it is headed certificate of Registry of Birth, so I guess it's not a short birth Cert. after all. However, I know my father used it as a Birth Certificate all his life and that is what it was called.

You learn something new every day!! :-) :-)

Hi Maddie this one is a Certificate of Birth

a registration of birth document i believe you paid pennies for and was given to you when you recoded the birth. I have my father's for 1921 but it is filed away.

Good luck!

The short cert. I have has a sentence in the middle which says the information is taken from the register of births, Vol ..., entry no ... by me, registrar for Coventry.

Maddie, what is the difference between a short birth cert. and a registration of birth document? I've never heard of the latter.

fingers crossed :-)

Hi all.

Maddie its a Certificate of Birth,

Chris thank you for the info.

Just to let you all know we have sent off for the birth certificate from GRO, soon as it arrives hopefully it will answer the query.

I will post on here when we get it.

Thanks for all your input.

Baptism
County Cardiganshire
Place Betws Bledrws
Church name St Bledrws
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 15 Feb 1880
Person forename Evan Roderic
Person sex M
Father forename David
Father surname JONES
Mother forename Hannah

https://www.freereg.org.uk/ (also on Find My Past)

Chris :)


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=573963.0

(Evan/Parents coming up on google search)


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164995/4164998/116/

(in case relating above to David and Hannah. In Memoriam)


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(worth a look on above)


1901 (Find My Past)
David R Jones Head Married Male 50 1851 Rail Straightner Cardiganshire, Wales
Hannah Jones Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Bettws, Cardiganshire, Wales
Evan R Jones Son Single Male 21 1880 Rail Straightner Bettws, Cardiganshire, Wales
Samuel Jones Son Single Male 17 1884 Machine Minder Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
David W Jones Son Single Male 14 1887 Machine Minder Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
John A Jones Son Single Male 12 1889 - Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Kate Jones Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Street Baladava Road (Balaclava)
Town Dowlais
Parish Merthyr Tydfil
County Glamorganshire
Municipal ward Penydarren
Registration district Merthyr Tydfil
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 5029
Folio 71
Page 39


Edits (possibly Samuel below)

Glamorganshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Jones
Birth year 1884
Baptism year 1884
Baptism day 15
Baptism month Jan
Place Dowlais
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) David
Mother's first name(s) Hannah


1911 (Find My Past)
Samuel Jones Head Married Male Electric Crame Driver 27 1884 Dowlais Glam
Florence Maud Jones Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Dowlais Glam
Mary Ann Jones Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Dowlais Glam
Victor Jones Son - Male - 0 1911
Address 44 Balaclava Road Dowlais
Parish Merthyr Tydfil
County Glamorganshire
Census reference RG14 PN32459 RG78 PN1856 RD590 SD3 ED9 SN81


Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Flye Florence Maude Merthyr T. 11a 1106
Jones Samuel Merthyr T. 11a 1106

(image for above Marriage on Find My Past, notes Witness, Evan Roderick Jones)


JONES, VICTOR (FLYE)
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 864


1939 Register (Find My Past)
35 Gwladys Street , Merthyr Tydfil C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Florence Maud Jones 09 May 1884 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid -
Samuel Jones 23 Nov 1883 Male Electric Crane Driver Married


JONES, EVAN RODERICK (DAVIES)
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in LAMPETER Volume 11B Page 37

is it actually a short birth cert or a registration of birth document

Hi Andysmum.

Yes saw your message. The two Vivian`s on GRO with mothers surnames of Edwards and Jones were born/registered in the june quarter of 1916, which doesnt add up.

The short birth certificate only has these numbers on it, YP 629715 at the top and 269/92 at the bottom.
Registration district is Pontypridd Sub district is Rhondda

Pontypridd is 11A there`s no reference to this on the certificate.
Help?

A baby born on 27th February would not have to be registered until mid-April, so could be in the 2nd quarter.

Did you see my previous post? The short certificate will give you the GRO reference, so you will know which is the right one.

did your friend not know her grandparents

if that is Vivian's father evan r jones married a Edwards

Hi Malyon.

Thats the quandry, the 2 Vivian`s in BMD are both born in the second quarter.
Vivian`s daughter is 100% sure his birthday is 27th Feb 1916

you say Vivian was born on 27th feb 1916 so I don't think the june reg can be him

one of the Vivian's died in 1916 aged 0

Marriages Jun 1939   (>99%)

Jones
 Vivian
 Rose
 Pontypridd
 11a
1062
  
Rose
 Lily M I
 Jones
 Pontypridd
 11a
1062

JONES, VIVIAN EDWARDS Order
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 1275
JONES, VIVIAN JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 1400