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Hallo all...I'm trying to trace the members of the family of EMANUEL PROCTOR b 1836 Blackburn Lancaster..I'm ok down to Albert Proctor b 1880 Blackburn..He married 3/8/1901 Christ Church Blackburn to Mary Jane Hacking b 1872 Blackburn..
It's the children from this marriage I can't locate...Is there anybody in Geneland who could help an 87 year old rank amateur...Looking forward to replies.... <3 <3 LES...

They don't appear to have had any children, Leslie - at least not in England or Wales.

There are two Proctor/Hacking boys born in Burnley, 1913 and 1922, but they will be the sons of another Proctor / Hacking couple who married in Burnley in 1908.


EDIT:
Correction - they did have at least one child - see page 3.

Albert in 1891:

Albert Procter
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Albert Procter
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1880
Father: Emanuel Procter
Mother: Alice Procter
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Residence Place: Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Blackburn Southern
ED, Institution or Vessel: 43
Neighbors:
Piece: 3408
Folio: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
Emanuel Procter 55
Alice Procter 59
Elizabeth Procter 32
Harriett Procter 23
Alice Procter 21
John T Procter 20
Emanuel J Procter 18
Rachael Procter 15
Robert H Procter 14
Albert Procter 11


Albert Procter
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Albert Procter
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1880
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Aug 1901
Parish: Blackburn, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Mary Jane Hacking
Spouse Age: 29
Father: Emmanuel Procter
Spouse Father: Thomas Hacking
Register Type: Parish Register


Ah! Albert went to the USA - did they have children there?

Albert Proctor
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Albert Proctor
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1880
Birth Place: Blackburn, United Kingdom
Father: Emanuel Proctor
Mother: Mary Miller
SSN: 477057020
Notes: Mar 1937: Name listed as ALBERT PROCTOR

Albert Proctor
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Albert Proctor
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1880
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 19 Jan 1949
Death Place: Ramsey County, Minnesota, United States of America
Cemetery: Elmhurst Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Saint Paul, Ramsey County, Minnesota, United States of America



Albert Proctor
in the U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Albert Proctor
Gender: Male
Residence Age: 62
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1880
Birth Place: Blackburn, England
Residence Date: 1942
Residence Place: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Height: 5 8
Eye Colour: Blue
Hair Colour: Gray
Weight: 190
Complexion: Ruddy


BUT he's single - what happened to Mary Jane ?? Is this the same man ??

Albert Procter
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Albert Procter
[Albert Proctor]
Age in 1910: 30
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Meding, Koochiching, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1876 [1906]
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Bartender
Industry: Saloon
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Eppen 37
Ella Eppen 27
Leona M Eppen 8
Lucel E Eppen 6
Peter W Eppen 4
Theodre E Eppen 1
Albert Procter 30
James Huley 39

Allmot Proctor
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Allmot Proctor
[Albert Proctor]
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: St Paul Ward 4, Ramsey, Minnesota
Street: Robert St
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1916
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Lineman
Industry: Telephone Co
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Naturalization Status: Papers Submitted
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes



Albert Proctor
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Albert Proctor
Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Home in 1930: St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: sevenTH
Ward of City: Three Part of
Block: 33 Continued
House Number: 445
Dwelling Number: 18
Family Number: 21
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Language Spoken: English
Immigration Year: 1906
Naturalization: First Papers
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Building Construction
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: No

??

Albert Proctor
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960
Name: Albert Proctor
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Age: 26
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1880
Arrival date: Jul 1906
Port of Arrival: Sault Ste Marie, Michigan, USA
Residence Country: England
Line Number: 8

Single.
Last residence Lancashire.

England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Albert Procter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Lancashire
Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical Parish: CHRISTCHURCH
Registration District: Blackburn
Residence Note: St Ann Street
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1880
Birthplace: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Page Number: 45
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 3408/ 127

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace

Emanuel Procter Head Male 55 Lancashire, England
Alice Procter Wife Female 59 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Procter Daughter Female 32 Lancashire, England
Harriett Procter Daughter Female 23 Lancashire, England
Alice Procter Daughter Female 21 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
John T Procter Son Male 20 Lancashire, England
Emanuel J Procter Son Male 18 Lancashire, England
Rachael Procter Daughter Female 15 Lancashire, England
Robert H Procter Son Male 14 Lancashire, England
Albert Procter Son Male 11 Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Alice's death??

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Proctor Alice 71 Blackburn 8e 236


So far, I don't see any of the family in 1901 - apart from a couple of the daughters who are married by that time.


Alice was Emanuel's second wife.

Albert's mother was Mary, as stated on the USA records:

Mary Procter
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Procter
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Emanuel Procter
Gender: Female
Where born: Mellor, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 45 Mosley St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 4183
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Emanuel Procter 46
Mary Procter 45
Mary A. Procter 24
Elizabeth Procter 22
Sarah Procter 19
Harriet Procter 13
Alice Procter 11
John T. Procter 10
Emanuel J. Procter 8
Robert H. Procter 4
Rachel Procter 6
Albert Procter 1


Mary Miller
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Mary Miller
[Mary Park]
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1835
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Mar 1856
Parish: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Emmanuel Procter
Spouse Age: 22
Father: Grimshaw Park
Spouse Father: Grimshaw Procter
Register Type: Parish Register

Just in case it helps ........

Albert and Mary Jane's marriage ......

Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936

Name Mary Jane Hacking
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth Year abt 1872
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 31 Aug 1901
Parish Blackburn, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Search Photos Blackburn, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Spouse Albert Procter
Spouse Age 21
Father Thomas Hacking
Spouse Father Emmanuel Procter
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members

from image:-

Albert
Age 21
Bachelor
Occupation:- Labourer
Address:- 31 Lord Derby Street
Father occupation:- deceased; Card Master

Mary Jane
Age 21
Spinster
Occupation:- Weaver
Address:- 31 Lord Derby Street (same as Albert)
Father occupation:- deceased; Manager Boiler Makers

Witnesses:- Joshua Kendall and Sarah Ellen Hacking



A Public Family Tree on Ancestry has Mary Jane dying 11 Jun 1944 Lostock Hall, Lancashire, England.

There's no documentation, but this date and place looks detailed!

Alice and Emanuel's marriage (his second):

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
Proctor Emanuel Blackburn 8e 628
STEAD Alice Blackburn 8e 628

?????????????????


the image is on Fold3 which I don't have, and I don't know whether this is Les' Albert or not, although birth date and place are apparently the same ............


UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

Name: Albert Proctor
Enlistment Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1879
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire
Enlistment Year: 1897
Regiment: Hussars of the Line
Regimental Number: 3725

There was only one Albert Proctor born in Blackburn 1879-81 - so looks as if that must be him.

looks like that is him .............


from FindMyPast


British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s) Albert
Last name Proctor
Birth year 1879
Birth parish Blackburn
Birth town Blackburn
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 3725
Regiment Hussars
Year 1897
Attestation date 11 Jan 1897
Attestation age years 18
Attestation service number 3725
Attestation corps Hussars
Discharge corps Hussars
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 5724
Box record number 170

from image:-

Next of kin:-
Brother Emanuel James, 20 Jack Croft, Blackburn
Brother John Thomas, Disraeli St, Blackburn
Brother Robert Henry, 58 Carlisle St, Blackburn


He was in England from 11-02-1897 to 22-02-1899
He went to India on 23-02-1899, came home on 16-07-1901

He was discharged on 16-07-1901, having been found as medically unfit for further service
Address 31 Lord Derby Street, Blackburn, occupation Labourer

He had a scar on his left cheek (present on enlistment), and Tattoo of crossed hands and heart on his right wrist

Here's Albert leaving the UK .............

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: A Proctor
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1879
Departure Date: 9 Jun 1906
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Empress of Britain
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress of Britain in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: William Stewart

from image:-
Labourer
Travelling alone (doesn't show marital status)

could this be mary jane living with robert proctor albert's brother in 1911 census


ily Tree Genealogies Catalog Books Wiki
Mary Jane Proctor
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Mary Jane Proctor
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Rishton, Rishton, Lancashire, England
County: Lancashire
Parish: Rishton
Sub-District: Harwood
Registration District: Blackburn
Gender: Female
Age: 39
Occupation: LAUNDRY GROCER
Birth Year (Estimated): 1872
Birthplace: Helmshore, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Line: 2
Page: 1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Robert Proctor Head Male 34 Clayton Le Moors, Lancashire
Mary Jane Proctor Wife Female 39 Helmshore, Lancashire

from Family Search

Canada Passenger Lists

Name Albert Proctor
Event Type Immigration
Event Date Jun 1906
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth Year (Estimated) 1879
Birthplace England
Ship Name Empress of Britain

from image:-
Travelled 3rd Class
British Bonus Allowed
Going to Quebec

Re the 1911 Census posted by malyon ....... ancestry has transcribed this as Procton
but the image is Proctor

The image shows they have been married 4 years, with no children
.

I do note that Albert's brother Robert had a middle name which is not shown on this census

This looks like their marriage, from Freebmd .........

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)

MERCER Mary Jane Blackburn 8e 786
Proctor Robert Blackburn 8e 786


They did get married at Blackburn Regstry Office, from lancs bmd ............

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907

PROCTOR Robert MERCER Mary Jane Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn RM/169/34



so it does not look like Albert's wife or brother

I think this is Albert's brother Emanuel in 1911 ...... the hadnwriting trails off, but it does look like Proctor on the image

1911 Census

Name: Emanuel J Proct
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Search Photos: Search for 'Blackburn' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 28 Hutchinson St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Blackburn
Registration District Number: 474
Sub-registration district: Blackburn South Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 25105

Emanuel J Proct 38
Martha Proct 38
Alice Proct 19
Mary Proct 13
Martha Proct 16

from iamge:-

Married 20 years, 6 children born, 3 died

for some reason, Martha has been crossed out.


from Freebmd ......

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)

Proctor Emanuel James Blackburn 8e 504
Whalley Martha Alice Blackburn 8e 504


from lancs bmd, they married at Christ Church ...........

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891

PROCTOR Emanuel James WHALLEY Martha Alice Blackburn, Christ Church (with St Matthew) Blackburn CE4/3/3

Christ Church is also where Albert got married ........

Is this Robert Henry in 1901?


1901 Census

Name: Robert Hy Proctor
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie Proctor
Birth Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Search Photos: Search for 'Blackburn' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Southern
ED, institution, or vessel: 45

Piece: 3916
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 119

Robert Hy Proctor 24
Annie Proctor 25
Bob Proctor 10/12

Address:- 12 Heatley Street


??? their marriage. from lancs opc

Marriage: 31 Aug 1899 St Luke, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Robert Henry Proctor - 22, Labourer, Bachelor, 12 Heatley St
Annie Heywood - 23, Weaver, Spinster, 3 Heatley St
Groom's Father: Emanuel Proctor, Overlooker
Bride's Father: Alfred Heywood, Clerk
Witness: George Heywood; Harriet Pickering, (X)
Married by Banns by: John F. French, Curate of S. Philips
Notes: Fathers of the bride and groom are deceased
Register: Marriages 1897 - 1900, Page 34, Entry 68
Source: LDS Film 1470819