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Can't find anything of Cyril Penrose Bragg other than birth & marriage record. No Census records. Mother thought to be Rebecca Worsfold.
Siblings: Margaret Hannah Bragg c.1885-1886. Record for a Rebecca Penrose Bragg c.1892-1892, but birth entry states mmn Penrose. Is this a transcription error?
Rebecca's husband William Noble Bragg died in1890, but Rebecca & Cyril weren't born until 1892 & 1893.
Found a 1891 Census record for Rebecca Bragg (snr) status: widow and living with sister etc. and her two brothers (spelling Worsfield not Worsfold). Can find nothing further for Rebecca.
Not sure whether I have just totally confused myself.

If Cyril married Gladys then he wasn’t at home for the 1939 register. This could mean he was already in the services.

So they were illegitimate, and you should record their father as ‘Unknown’ on your tree, although their second forename is possibly a clue to his identity

Margaret’s baptism records her parents as William and Rebecca

Rebecca was born AMJ 1891

William Noble Bragg died AMJ 1890

Exact dates are needed to clarify whether William could possibly have been her father , although it’s very unlikely
He certainly wasn’t Cyril’s

my money would be on a Mr Penrose ;-) ;-)

He’d have been 46 when WW2 started.....

There is another Cyril P Bragg - second name `Pretoria’ - so it is essential to ascertain which of them married Gladys Godden

You don’t need to be uncertain about birth years.....use freebmd or the GRO site and look for birth registrations

BRAGG, CYRIL PENROSE mmn WORSFOLD
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in ST. GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 332


For our reference:

Rebecca Bragg
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Rebecca Bragg
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Relationship: Sister-in-law
Birth Year: 1863
Birth Place: St George in the East, London, England
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews
Residence Place: London, St George in the East, London, England
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St George North
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 284
Folio: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Groom 34
Hannah Groom 25
William Groom 2
Charles Groom 2
Rebecca Bragg 28
Charles Worsfield 19
Thomas Worsfield 16

England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

First name(s) Cyril Pretoria
Last name Bragg
Year 1922
County Middlesex
Country England
Season Spring, Autumn
Constituency P C of Middlesex, Twickenham Division

He is an absent Naval or Military voter in the household of Henry Charles and Amy Godden who are parents of Gladys b 1902.

Rebecca Penrose Bragg
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Rebecca Penrose Bragg
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Baptism Place: England, St George in the East, Tower Hamlets
Father: Joseph Bragg, labourer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Rebecca Bragg
Register Type: Parish Registers

12 Mayfields Buildings.

*********** Rebecca nee Worsfield/Worsfold was at 12 Mayfields Buildings in 1891.

Cyril Pretoria Bragg
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Cyril Pretoria Bragg
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1899
Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Hounslow, Hounslow, England
Father: Harry Hope Bragg
Spouse: Gladys Beatrice Godden <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

You say mother thought to be Rebecca worsfield

Getting the cert will confirm .or not

Wonder whether Joseph Bragg was in fact Joseph Daynton and they lied to face save

1901 census

Joseph Daynton
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rebecca Daynton
Birth Place: Blackheath, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Glemsford
Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Glemsford
Town: Glemsford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: new cut

Occupation:wine agent

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Sudbury
Sub-registration District: Hartest
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1747
Folio: 34
Page Number: 13
Household Schedule Number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Daynton 45
Rebecca Daynton 38
Claud Daynton 5
Harold Daynton 2



Look at the birth record

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, CLAUDIAN PENROSE BRAGG
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 769

And

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, HAROLD PENROSE WORSFOLD
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 839




Some serious cover ups going on it looks like


Edit

DAYNTON, CYRIL 2
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 442

So birth registered as Bragg but death regisred as Daynton

1911 census

Rebecca Daynton
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Old Kent, London, England
Civil Parish: Glemsford
Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: New Cut, Glemsford, Suffolk
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Matting Factory
Registration District Number: 205
Sub-registration District: Melford
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 10560
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Daynton 49
Claude Daynton 15
Harold Daynton 12
Selwyn Daynton 9

Married 27 years 5 children born 3 still living

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, SELWYN PENROSE WORSFOLD
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 912

Deaths Sep 1913
Daynton Rebecca 52 London C. 1c 22

More info

Cyril John
Last name Daynton
Birth year 1920
Age 24
Death year 1944
Death date 31 Dec 1944
Number 146297
Rank Flying Officer
Unit 248 Sqdn.
Regiment Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Grave reference Panel 205.
Cemetery or Memorial Runnymede Memorial
Burial country United Kingdom
Additional information Son of Claudian Penrose Daynton and Mary Daynton, of Sutton, Surrey.
Link
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Second World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Commonwealth War Graves Commission

Harold Penrose Daynton
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 31 Dec 1898
Registration Date: Jul 1981
[Aug 1981]
[Sep 1981]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2010

No response from Marilyn ?

I also have Cyril Penrose Bragg marrying a Gladys B Godden in 1920, 4th Qtr. Coincidence? Thought perhaps Cyril Penrose and Cyril Pretoria might be the same person, but Cyril Pretoria marriage cert say father is a Harry Hope Bragg.
AgyllGran - could you find exact date of Cyril Penrose marriage please?

Wow, trying to get my head round all of above information, but thank you.

The man who married was Cyril PRETORIA Bragg - the full info has been posted

This is his birth:-
BRAGG, CYRIL PRETORIA (MMN) WYATT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 362


Cyril PENROSE (Bragg/Daynton) DIED in 1895 - as posted above

Maralyn -

you'll have to buy a copy of the cert to find out the exact date of the Bragg/Godden marriage.

But that's Cyril Pretoria's marriage - not Cyril Penrose's.


EDIT
Oops, already given date of marriage in a post on 12 March, at 21:48