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First Thank you to all whom helped with yesterdays headache. . .
Sarah Daly b 1859 Liverpool Mother is Mary ,,, cert below.
Don't find her until she gets wed 1877 can not see her on a census that makes sense until married and she appears on 1881 and so forth husband dies 1901 and she is is 1911 married to John Cropper but cant see any marriage may have just changed name but Cropper is on death cert,,,
Catholic cert shows have original is a Margaret,,,mentioned
Name Sarah Daly Age0 Birth Date 1 May 1859 Baptism Date 4 May 1859 Baptism Place Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father Maria Daly Mother Daly

Who did she marry in 1877???????

Just to clarify, the baptism shows Sarah to be daur of Maria Daly, so could be Mary or Maria. No father's details recorded.

The sponsor is Margaritia Daly, so probably Margaret Daly, presumably a relative, sister, mother or sil in law, of Maria/Mary.

First Marriage Joseph Gibson 1857

She married JOSEPH GIBSON

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1399729

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
Daley Sarah Liverpool 8b 224
Gibson Joseph Liverpool 8b 224

On wedding cert shows a Joh Daley ???

???????1871

Name: Sarah Daly
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 315
Piece: 3844
Folio: 37
Page number: 68
Household Members Age Relationship
William Rainford
50 Head
Elizabeth Rainford
50 Wife
Sarah Daly 12 Boarder

What 'shows a Joh Daley?'

wedding cert

Where on the cert?????????

Daly, Sarah in tree "Colin's Family Tree" Remove
DetailSource
Name: Sarah Daley
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1858
Marriage Date: 29 Apr 1877
Marriage Place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
John Daley
Spouse:
Joseph Gibson
FHL Film Number: 1656685
Reference ID: it 4, p 52, no 103
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She must have lied.............to save face


She says he's a Stonemason - and doesn't describe him as 'deceased'

No Daly/Daley witnesses

Have you taken note of the census record I suggested?

You said you couldn't find the marriage to Cropper - where did you look?

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
CROPPER John W. Derby 8b 806
GIBSON Sarah W. Derby 8b 806

Sarah
Spouse's occupation Plasterer
Last name Daley
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Age 19
Spouse's residence St Home St
Birth year 1858
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Marital status Spinster
Spouse's father's last name Gibson
Year 1877
Spouse's father's occupation Plasterer
Marriage year 1877
Witness 1 Thomas Bewich
Marriage date 29 Apr 1877
Witness 2 Rabella Gibson
Place Liverpool, St Peter
County Lancashire
Denomination Church Of England
Country England
Diocese Liverpool
Archive Liverpool Record Office
Residence St Home ST
Archive reference 283-PET-3-88
Father's first name(s) John ------------
Register type Marriages
Father's last name Daley
Register year range 1877-1877
Father's occupation Stone Mason
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Joseph
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's last name Gibson
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's age 21
Collections from England, Great Britain
Spouse's birth year 1856

How do you know that the baptism you have found is for the woman who married Gibson?

Is there some proof?

Have the certificate

Wind damage in my garden back when possible

Hope it's not too serious

?????


Can't c & p as on my tablet, apologies for that in advance, Erika

THIS MAY BE A COMPLETE RED HERRING but...

Ancestry has an 1861 census entry for

James Dailey, STONE MASON, aged 22, born Liverpool, Lancs
***MARY Dailey aged 20, wife, born Liverpool, Lancs
**SARAH Dailey aged 2 (c 1859), daur, born Liverpool, Lancs
James Dailey, son, aged 7 weeks, born 1861, Liverpool, Lancs

Cant quite read address, it looks like 38, Kew or New St, but could be something else.

Ancestry Liverpool England , Catholic baptisms ,has this baptism

Jacobus Daley
(James Daley)
Born 17th Jan 1861
Bap 24th Jan 1861
Father Jacobi Daley
Mother Mariae Mccamley
Baptised at Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette, the very same church where Sarah daur of Mary/Maria was baptised, as detailed in Colin's opening post.

Obviously the name of the stonemason father is James, not John, as per the marriage cert, but I thought I'd throw it in the mix anyway...

Kucinta

ancestry hints show him as john in other records
eg
Name: John Daley
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: West Derby, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1914
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8b
Page: 386

srah not with tem in 1871