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mike
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12 Sep 2022 16:34 |
Looking for information on Barbara after 1911, nothing on records born 1877 leith midlothian spent most of her life up until 1911 on sanday orkney Father Robert Watt born dalkeith Mother Margaret Watt nee Wallace born sanday orkney Sisters Ann,Jessie,Elizabeth Brother Robert
help much appreciated
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ErikaH
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12 Sep 2022 16:50 |
Look for info using Scotland's People website, when it is back online
If ,as your post implies, she was still single in 1911, look for a death or a marriage
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12 Sep 2022 16:50 |
Have just tried to log into Scotland's People but the message "Safari can't find the server" is coming up at present. Google says NRS buildings will remain open and on site services will continue following the death of HM. Amokavid also having problems logging in (see General Chat board)
Maybe the reason that online services are unavailable?
Scotland's People website is probably where most of us would start looking - if she didn't marry, there may be a death search showing which hopefully would include mmn amongst other details.
You would be able to view and download a pdf of the death certificate if over 50 years ago. You would need to purchase credits on the site - 30 for £7.50 and it would be 6 credits to download a record.
There may also be possible marriages to check.
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nameslessone
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12 Sep 2022 16:55 |
Have you considered the Orkney Family History Society..
Genuki Orkney will give lots of information where records ca be found. There is even a page for Sanday.
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ErikaH
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12 Sep 2022 17:25 |
I can only see her in Sanday in 1881 and 1891 on FMP
Perhaps you'd post later census transcriptions for info for the helpers
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mike
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12 Sep 2022 17:43 |
Thank you for the helpful replies.
I have tried Scotlands People and the orkney site, no luck
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12 Sep 2022 19:33 |
Any mention of her in the Orcadian? Probably available in the British Newspaper Archive.
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ErikaH
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12 Sep 2022 20:09 |
Mike
Please C&P 1911 census to which you refer
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ErikaH
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12 Sep 2022 20:15 |
1881 for INFO Lyland Cottage, Cross & Burness & North Ronaldshay, Sanday, Orkney, Scotland Robert Watt Head Married Male 30 1851 Grocer Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Margaret Watt Wife Married Female 35 1846 Grocer's wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland Margaret Wallace Step daughter Unmarried Female 16 1865 Dom servt Orkney, Scotland Elizabeth Watt Daughter - Female 11 1870 Scholar West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland Jane Watt Daughter - Female 9 1872 Scholar South Queensferry, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Robert Watt Son - Male 6 1875 Scholar Armadale, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Barbara Watt Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
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ArgyllGran
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12 Sep 2022 23:54 |
Barbara Watt in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Barbara Watt Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Robert Watt Mother's Name: Margaret Watt Gender: Female Where born: Leith, Mid-Lothian Registration Number: 26 Registration district: Sanday Civil parish: Cross and Burness and North Ronaldsay County: Orkney Address: Dalkeith Occupation: Grocers Assistant ED: 6 Household schedule number: 17 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1891_5 Household Members Age Relationship Robert Watt 39 Head Margaret Watt 42 Wife Jane S Watt 19 Daur (Daughter) Barbara Watt 13 Daur (Daughter) Ann Watt 6 Daur (Daughter) David Dearness 21 Serv (Servant) <<<<<<<<<
Marriage ??:
WATT BARBARA G DEARNESS DAVID 1898 692/1 128 Leith North
Barbara Dearness in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Barbara Dearness Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: David Dearness Gender: Female Where born: Leith, Edinburghshire Registration Number: 685/2 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Edinburgh St Paul County: Midlothian Address: 5 Albert St ED: 33 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 12 Roll: CSSCT1901_373 Household Members Age Relationship David Dearness 31 Head Barbara Dearness 24 Wife David Dearness 1 Son Robert Dearness 1 Mo Son Mary Dearness 28 Visitor
Barbara W Dearness in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966 Name: Barbara W Dearness Residence Year: 1950 Street Address: Springfield Street 14 Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland [David not listed with her in 1950.]
Death:
DEARNESS BARBARA G 78 1955 685/2 521 St Andrew (Edinburgh)
Death also listed under Watt:
WATT BARBARA GARRIOC(H) 78 1955 685/2 521 St Andrew (Edinburgh)
Barbara Watt Dearness in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014 Name: Barbara Watt Dearness Register Type: Burial Death Date: abt 1955 Burial or Cremation Date: 16 Sep 1955 Burial or Cremation Place: Edinburgh, Scotland
Don't know where the middle name Garrioch comes from. The actual certs might explain .
No middle name at birth:
WATT BARBARA F 1877 692/2 545 Leith South
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 00:00 |
1911 -
DEARNESS BARBARA 1911 F 33 692/2 29/ 13 Leith South Midlothian
She's with David 41, John 1, William 7, David 11, Oliver 4, and Robert 10.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 00:27 |
Death of son Oliver:
DEARNESS OLIVER DREVER 68 mmn WATT 1975 738/ 68 George Square
His marriage:
DEERNESS OLIVER DREVER ADDISON WILLIAMINA M F 1935 685/10 365 Leith South
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ErikaH
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13 Sep 2022 09:12 |
If the poster knew where she was in 1911, he must have known who she married :-S :-S
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 09:55 |
That's what I thought, and so, looking at this again in the cold light of day, I now don't think that the 1950 ER which I posted last night is for the correct woman, and possibly not the burial either.
There was a Barbara Watt Dearness born in Edinburgh/Leith in 1917, who died in 1950, and is probably the woman on the 1950 ER.
Two of that name were born in 1928 (or maybe one registered in both Edinburgh and Leith) - one or both of whom may be this woman:
MS Barbara W Dearness in the UK, Electoral Registers, 2003-2010 Name: MS Barbara W Dearness Birth Date: 1927-1929 Residence Date: 2005-2010 Address: 1/2, Pier Place, EH6 4LP Residence Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
To make matters more confusing, there were Dearness families on Sanday in various censuses, and these deaths:
DEARNESS BARBARA 66 1944 026/ 2 Sanday
DEARNESS BARBARA 43 1919 026/ 8 Sanday
The 1898 marriage cert is needed, to see if it's the correct one or not - but the Dearness family in 1901 seems very feasible and David Dearness was lodging with Barbara Watt's family in 1891.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 10:09 |
To put my own mind at rest, I've had a look at the marriage cert, and it IS the correct one:
21 September 1898, at 7 Laverockbank Terraced, Trinity, Leith. David Dearness, cab driver, bachelor, 28.
David's address: 14 North Junction St, Leith. Parents: David Dearness, crofter, and Jessie Dearness, ms Muir
Barbara G Watt, spinster, 21.
Barbara's address: 4 Admiralty Street, Leith. Parents: Robert Watt, master grocer, and Margaret Ann Randall Watt, ms Wallace.
So the 1901 and 1911 censuses and 1955 death are the right ones, but probably not the ER . Not sure about the burial - though it's the same year as the death, so could be OK. There's no other death of a Barbara Dearness in Scotland in 1955.
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mike
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13 Sep 2022 10:25 |
Thank you for your help. The information I was given was wrong she ws not on the 1901 or 1911 census for sanday. I managed to find a marriage certificate on line for Watt/Dearness She appears to have adopted a middle name, her mother has more middle names, her father has a different occupation and it is all suspect. I know a David Dearness worked as a servant for her father. Her adopted middle name is an old orcadian family. I have contacted a member here about their family tree and hope to get some clarification
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 11:20 |
You say Barbara's father's occupation had changed.
In 1881 he's a grocer. In 1891 he was a "grocer, baker and farmer". In 1898 he was a grocer. In 1901 he's not with Margaret, but Margaret (then living in Dalkeith, Edinburgh) is a "Grocer merchant's wife".
No change there, to my mind.
Robert seems to be in Stronsay in 1901, with son Robert, and listed as "farmer" - but he was also a farmer in 1891, and in small crofting communities most people had (still have) more than one job.
Barbara's husband David has the same place and year of birth as the one who was lodging with her family.
Strangely, I don't see any record of Margaret's death - unless it's this one:
WATT [also listed as WALLACE ] MARGARET JANE 83 mmn SCOTT 1928 031/ 9 Stronsay
but this is her probate:
Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt in the Scotland, National Probate Index (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories), 1876-1936 Name: Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt Death Date: 13 May 1928 Death Place: Stronsay Confirmation Date: 26 Jun 1928 Confirmation Place: Kirkwall, Scotland
WATT, Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace or [Watt], Eden Villa, Stronsay, Orkney, died 13 May 1928 at Stronsay, testate. Confirmation Kirkwall, 26 June to Ann Livingstone Watt, Eden Villa aforesaid, Executrix. Will dated 12 February 1919 ,recorded Kirkwall 25 June 1928. Value of estate: £2127 : 2 : 1.
Ann Livingstone Watt is her daughter, born 1884 Sanday, and died unmarried, 1973 Aberdeen.
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ErikaH
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13 Sep 2022 12:09 |
WALLACE MARGARET ANN JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT F 18/06/1844 026/ 30 65 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
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ErikaH
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13 Sep 2022 12:15 |
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WALLACE JOHN JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT M 28/02/1847 026/ 30 73 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
WALLACE BARBARA JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT F 06/09/1839 026/ 30 55 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
WALLACE BETSY JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT F 22/04/1837 026/ 30 51 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
WALLACE ELIZA JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT F 21/10/1849 026/ 30 78 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
WALLACE JEAN JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT F 15/02/1842 026/ 30 61 Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)
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ErikaH
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13 Sep 2022 12:18 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Midgarth, Stronsay, Orkney, Scotland
James Scott Head Married Male 88 1763 Farmer of 40 acres & 100 heath emplg 5 servants Orkney, Scotland Barbara Scott Wife Married Female 76 1775 Farmers wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland William Scott Son Unmarried Male 35 1816 Farmers son Cross, Orkney, Scotland Elizabeth Scott Daughter Unmarried Female 32 1819 Farmers daughter Cross, Orkney, Scotland Betsy Wallace Grand child Unmarried Female 14 1837 House maid Cross, Orkney, Scotland John Brodie Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Farm servant Orkney, Scotland John Tarphens Servant Unmarried Male 11 1840 Cow herd Orkney, Scotland
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