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Karin
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9 Sep 2023 19:43 |
Hi, I'm trying to trace the parents of Thomas Henry O'Hare born in 1862 in Huddersfield. He married Ruth Asquith who was born in 1860 in Bradford. They had 6 children: Mary Louisa, John Asquith, Sarah, Amy, Lucy and William Herbert. Thanks. Karin.
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ErikaH
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9 Sep 2023 20:03 |
His father, if he knew him, will be named on the man’s marriage cert
Have you checked the GRO site to determine whether his birth was registered?
MMN is on births on GRO
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ErikaH
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9 Sep 2023 20:04 |
He was born in 1861…..find the info on the GRO site..then look for marriage of parents
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Karin
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9 Sep 2023 20:26 |
Thanks, will look into that.
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9 Sep 2023 20:55 |
Eric
I found him in the 1871 census living with his parents Thomas and Mary (Thomas Senior was born in Ireland). I would attach it but I have no idea how - or even if I can.
The name has been mistranscribed as Ottare, so if you do a search on your chosen site look out for this.
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Karin
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9 Sep 2023 21:12 |
That's great information, thank you!
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ErikaH
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9 Sep 2023 21:13 |
Duncan
Simply C&P the transcription to the thread
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 21:52 |
Ancestry's mistranscribed version - an Ancestry user has submitted a correction:
Thomas H Ottare in the 1871 England Census Name Thomas H Ottare [O'Hare] Age 9 Estimated Birth Year 1862 Relation Son Gender Male Where born Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish Clifton and Hartshead Town Clifton County/Island Yorkshire Country England Registration district Halifax Sub-registration district Brighouse ED, institution, or vessel 11 Household schedule number 59 Piece 4387 Folio 11 Page number 16 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Ottare 47 Head - Ireland Mary Ottare 40 Wife - Malton, Yorkshire Thomas H Ottare 9 Son Arthur A Ottare 3 Son - Huddersfield John M Ottare 2/12 Son - Hartshead Moor, Yorkshire.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 21:56 |
The parents in 1861:
Thomas Ohare in the 1861 England Census Name Thomas Ohare Gender Male Age 37 Relation Head Estimated Birth Year 1824 Spouse's Name Mary Ohare Where born Newry, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil parish Huddersfield Ecclesiastical parish St John Town Huddersfield County/Island Yorkshire Country England Registration district Huddersfield Sub-registration district Huddersfield ED, institution, or vessel 25 Neighbors Household schedule number 17 Piece 3266 Folio 28 Page number 4 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Ohare 37 Head Mary Ohare 30 Wife
The father in 1851:
Thomas Ohere in the 1851 England Census Name Thomas Ohere Age 26 Estimated Birth Year abt 1825 Relation Lodger Gender Male Where born Ireland Civil parish Huddersfield Town Huddersfield County/Island Yorkshire Country England Registration district Huddersfield Sub-registration district Huddersfield ED, institution, or vessel 17 Neighbors Household schedule number 63 Piece 2295 Folio 426 Page number 22 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Sarah Stead 70 Head Ann Stead 40 Daughter Mary Stead 11 Granddaughter Ann Wood 10 Granddaughter Thomas Ohere 26 Lodger Thomas Wrigley 34 Lodger Ellen Wrigley 28 Lodger Mary Balderson 27 Lodger Henry Walker 30 Lodger Ann Walker 31 Lodger
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:14 |
1861 is the only census to specify where in Ireland Thomas senior was born - assuming that's correct!
However, we don't know which Newry - Newry, Co. Wicklow; Newry, Tyrone; or Newry, Armagh (aka Mourne & Down).
There are these two baptisms, but both later than 1824-5.
Thomas O'Hare in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 Name Thomas O'Hare Baptism Age 0 Event Type Baptism Birth Date 1827 Baptism Date 30 May 1827 Baptism Place Newry, Down and Armagh, Ireland Diocese Dromore Father Morley O'Hare Mother Catharine O'Hare
Thomas O'Hare in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 Name Thomas O'Hare Baptism Age 0 Event Type Baptism Birth Date 1828 Baptism Date 9 Nov 1828 Baptism Place Newry, Down and Armagh, Ireland Diocese Dromore Father Mary O'Hare [Michael O'Hare on image . Correction submitted.] Mother Mary Tooley
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:22 |
Thomas and Mary's marriage:
Mary Anderson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name Mary Anderson Registration Year 1859 [1859] Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district Huddersfield Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding Volume 9a Page 405 Records on Page (Name) Thomas O'Hare Mary Anderson
Thomas junior's birth:
O'HARE, THOMAS HENRY mmn ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 328
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:24 |
Mary in 1851:
Mary Anderson in the 1851 England Census Name Mary Anderson Age 21 Estimated Birth Year abt 1830 Relation Servant Gender Female Where born Cassell Clevan Malton & Hull Faherin Dorce Malton, Yorkshire, England ** Civil parish Leeds Ecclesiastical parish Little London Town Leeds County/Island Yorkshire Country England Registration district Leeds Sub-registration district West Leeds ED, institution, or vessel 07g Neighbors Household schedule number 100 Piece 2321 Folio 1020 Page number 24 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Wilson 50 Head Elisabeth Wilson 56 Wife Henry Wilson 19 Son Herbert Wilson 18 Son Lucy Wilson 17 Daughter Arthur Wilson 16 Son Edmund Wilson 12 Son Kenneth Wilson 3 Son Hannah Boyes 25 Servant Mary Anderson 21 Servant
** The words transcribed as her birthplace actually read: " [something something] between Malton & Hull. Father's residence Malton."
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Karin
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9 Sep 2023 22:28 |
Wow! Thank you all so much for this information, much appreciated!
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:35 |
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Mary Anderson Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Mary Anderson Sex Female Father's Name Richard Anderson Father's Sex Male Mother's Name Ann Mother's Sex Female Event Type Christening Event Date 23 Mar 1831 Event Place New Malton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original) Saint Leonard, New Malton, York, England Mary Anderson's Parents and Siblings Richard Anderson Father M Ann Mother F
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:44 |
??? The father in Malton in 1851, as per "birthplace" wording for Mary in 1851 ??
With a second wife, presumably.
Richard Anderson in the 1851 England Census Name Richard Anderson Age 61 Estimated Birth Year abt 1790 Relation Head Spouse's Name Sarah Anderson Gender Male Where born New Malton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish Malton St Leonard Town New Malton County/Island Yorkshire Country England Registration district Malton Sub-registration district Rillington ED, institution, or vessel 3b Neighbors Household schedule number 19 Piece 2369 Folio 397 Page number 5 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Richard Anderson 61 Head - waterman Sarah Anderson 37 Wife Frank Anderson 10 Son Henry Anderson 7 Son John Anderson 32 Son - waterman
The whole family born in New Malton.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2023 22:46 |
Richard's second marriage:
Richard Anderson in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 Name Richard Anderson Gender Male Marriage Date 11 Dec 1837 Marriage Place St. Michael, New Malton, York, England Father Francis Glover Spouse Sarah Wray FHL Film Number 1068382 Reference ID item 1
Richard Anderson in the York, Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1936 Name Richard Anderson Marital Status Widowed Record Type Marriage Marriage Date 10 Dec 1837 Marriage Place New Malton, St Michael, Yorkshire, England Parish as it Appears St. Michael, Malton Father Fracis Eleor [Francis Glover , waterman] Spouse Sarah Wraz [ Wray ]
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alviegal
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10 Sep 2023 20:35 |
Thomas and Mary's children
Births
O'HARE, TOM ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330
O'HARE, THOMAS HENRY ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 328
O'HARE, MARY AGNES ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 356
O'HARE, ALICE ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 309
O'HARE, ARTHUR ANDERSON ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330
O'HARE, MARY ANN ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 314
O'HARE, JOHN MICHAEL ANDERSON GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 409
and Deaths
O'HARE, TOM 0 GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 224
O'HARE, MARY AGNES 0 GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 245
O'HARE, ALICE 0 GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 226
O'HARE, MARY ANN 0 GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 305
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alviegal
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10 Sep 2023 20:37 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hartsmoor Road, Clifton, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England View original record Household members (4 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas O'Hare Head Married Male 57 1824 Carrier Ireland Mary O'Hare Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Malton, Yorkshire, England Arthur A O'Hare Son Single Male 13 1868 Coal hurrier Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England John M O'Hare Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Yorkshire, England
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Karin
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11 Sep 2023 10:15 |
Thank you for all that information. Just a quick question, I have signed up with GRO and found a registered birth for another person I am researching. I found Irene Ward born 1913 in North Bierley and it gives the MMN as Smith. I can't see the actual document without paying. I'm doing this research for my neighbour and he won't pay. Is this normally all the information you can see or am I missing something. Thanks again for all your help.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2023 10:28 |
Yes, in this instance, that's all you can see without buying the birth cert.
Sometimes images are viewable on Ancestry, FMP, etc - but not often for such a relatively "recent" event, and not in this case.
Sometimes people upload images of certs to their trees on Ancestry or elsewhere, but although Irene is on three trees on Ancestry, nobody has uploaded that cert, unfortunately.
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