Genealogy Chat

No worries Mike, my Tomlinsons have me confused most of the time. I am really looking for a George Tomlinson (occupation blacksmith) and his son John Tomlinson. John Tomlinson supposed to be born Belper Derbyshire 1842/44/50 on different census, i only have `61 upwards, in `61 he was a groom for the rector of Nobury. No trace of either of them before then. Cannot find his birth either. John married Mary Spencer in 1863( my gt grandparents), Little Chester in Derby. Sarah Calladine and John Tomlinson were witnesses. I have the cert. Sarah went on to marry Jabez Tomlinson in 1867 in Little Chester. Now the reason i`m looking at Jabez Tomlinsons family is, someone suggested to me that maybe John Tomlinson was not born in Belper. But the family moved there when he was a baby, so he put Belper on the census. So it got me wondering Could George (Johns father) and Jabez snr be brothers, therefore making John and Jabez jnr cousins. Could George also have come from Breedon and could John have been born there. I hope i havent confused you too. Sylvia

Greeting's Again Sylvia..... I'm sorry to have confused you I was only giving a potted History for the other Jabez Tomlinson I had found who I had tracked up to 1861. in Lancashire But now i have found your Jabez from 41 through to the 1861 census which you posted Even if his names differed through out down as Taber and I see he's down as John on the 61. ..... and I could only get him through Rebbecca in 1851...... Sorry again for confusing you MIKE. xx.....Smacks wrist & grabs coat exit's sharp right >>>>>>

Thank you for that site Jan, its a shame the quarries have distroyed so much. Mike thank you for your help as always, but i`m a but confused as in the 1861 census copy not image i have Jabez is 42 not 30 with wife Rebecca (on IGI marriage 1840 in Surrey Rebeckah Russell) and Jabez jnr age 16 1861 census RG9 2495 folio 46 15 City Road Derby Jabez Tomlinson 42 Breedon, Leicestershire, Head married Wood Sawyer Rebecca Tomlinson 37 Shoreharm, Kent, Wife Married Jabez Tomlinson 16 Derby, Derbyshire, Son Silk Weaver Eliza Tomlinson 14 Derby, Derbyshire, Daughter Silk Weaver Harriet Tomlinson 12 Derby, Derbyshire, Daughter Silk Weaver Laza Tomlinson 10 Derby, Derbyshire, Daughter Rebecca Tomlinson 8 Derby, Derbyshire, Daughter Ann Tomlinson 6 Derby, Derbyshire, Daughter William Tomlinson Under 4 mths Derby, Derbyshire, Son Jabez jnr went on to marry a Sarah Calladine in 1867 I just dont know where this fits in, Christening :- Jabuz Tomleson. 8th. August. 1830. Breedon – on – the – Hill. Father : Jabus Tomleson. Mother : - Mary. Which is a better match to his age of 30. on the 1861. Thank you again Sylvia

Hi Mike, I'm not sure how you are geting on with the WHELBANDS. As I said before I am trying to find the link between the Nottingham and Leicester Whelbands. The furthest back that the Nottingham Whelbands go on Ancestry is John Whelband b1789. His place of birth is given as Thurgarton in Nottingham. However, I'm wondering if maybe he said Thurmaston or Thurcaston, and the census man misheard him. When Johns daughters were christened, John and his wife Mary were entered as Welbourn! but his daughters are both Whelbands when they got married. Not sure whether this helps or confuses! Judith

Thanks Mike - have ordered the CD now. (hope it was the right one!)

Greeting’s Again…… Sylvia. There was another one on The I.G.I. Batch Numbers. Indexed as JABUS TOMLESON. Christening :- Jabuz Tomleson. 8th. August. 1830. Breedon – on – the – Hill. Father : Jabus Tomleson. Mother : - Mary. Which is a better match to his age of 30. on the 1861. Census Plus the 1818 Christening has parents John & Elizabeth In 1841. Census Parish of Breedon – on – the – Hill. Hamlet of Tonge. Jabez Tomlinson. 5. Ag lab. Y. MARY. 50. ditto. N. Jabez 11. ditto Y. Y. = YES Born within the County. N. = NO Not born within the County. ( I think a mistake on the 1st Jabez should be 50.) 1851. Census. Hamlet of Tonge. Jabez Tomlinson.64. Ag. Lab. B Breedon. Mary 64. b Draycot, Derbyshire. Jabez. Son 20. Ag. Lab b Breedon. MIKE.

Greeting's Again Tom..... I would think your money is as good as anyone else In any case it's not expensive to join the Society UK Single = £9.50. UK. Family = £10.50. ( you get two tickets ) Overseas = £10.00. These prices are for 12 Months membership payable Dec ~ Jan. time. MIKE.

Thanks Mike - that info is really helpful. I had some of their other childrens baptisms, but sometimes Ann is called Elizabeth. But I know they are all the same people because I have seen their grave stones (and Theresa is their daughter so thats really great.) Do you know if you have to be a member to buy the disks?

This site gives some interesting history about Breedon... http://www.benefice*org*uk/breedon_church/the_breedon_story/index*php You will see that Breedon was originally in Derbyshire. Jan

Hi again Mike, I have a Jabez Tomlinson in 1861 census born Breedon Leicestershire and i have found on IGI a christening 1818 in Breedon on the hill. Can you please tell me if these are the same place. Thank you Sylvia

Greeting’s Again Tom Just gave it a whiz but without the Coleorton as Village But no John _ Ann Marriage showed up But it did throw up the following John ~ ANNE Ayre events though :- Burial John Ayre. Coleorton. 12th. April.1774. NO Age given. Christening’s with Father :- John Ayre. Mother ANNE.:- Thomas Ayre. 12th. April. 1774. Catherine Ayre, 17th. April. 1775. And not sure about this one Seems a bit late ? :- Theresa Ayre. 30th. August. 1790. Father John AYRE. Mother :- ANN Re purchase of disks Link :- www.lrfhs.org.uk Or if you are a member then www.llrfhs.net Scroll down to Publications Then choice to down load List & prices as Word. Or Adobe Files. But BEWARE...... this site as MUSIC So turn down sound or switch it off ( top left hand side) MIKE.

thanks Mike - the first one is definately them! The second one I think is his cousin, because I know he married Ann Wilson (that was her maiden name) because of various wills and used as middle names. Maybe they married somewhere else - these things were sent to try us. Once again, many thanks! (is it through the Leicestershire FHS that I can buy the disks? and do you know how much they are - I hate to keep pestering you - sorry!)

Greeting's again Tom ... There you GO......... Jo. Ayre. ~ Mary PRAT. St. Mary the Virgin. Parish Church. Coleorton. 14th. October. 1729. Both of this Parish & By Banns. Not sure of this but closest showing up :- John Ayre. ~ Catherine Storer. St. Mary the Virgin Parish Church. Coleorton. 17th. April. 1768. By Banns. Hope this is of help to you ? All above are from my disks and NOT via the web. MIKE.

Hi Mike and everyone. Hope you are all keeping OK. Mike, would it be possible for you to search for a couple of marriages for me please? Looking for John Ayre to Ann (probably Wilson) between 1765 and 1775 in Coleorton. and John Ayre to Mary between 1725 and 1735 in COleorton. Not sure if the latter is possible. Once again, many thanks. Sorry to keep bothering you, but am saving up until I can buy the CDs. Thanks tom.

Greeting’s & Welcome Carol.. I’m sorry but all those Villages come under Nottinghamshire Although Sutton Bonington is one of those which are on the boarder of either Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire I did have a look at what I could but on line info started 1785……. You will have to look at the Parish Registers for those early years 1500’s If you can get to a LDS Centre you’ll be able to order Fiches to cover the years And then look at them ( There will be a charge for this and they hold the fiches for 28 days for you ) Or Elaine might just be able help ? MIKE.xx

I am trying to find any information on family named Savage of Sutton Bonnington, Bunny, East Leake and surrounding. Rev. John Savage and his son Thomas, both of whom were Rectors at Sutton Bonington. John was born about 1557, and Thomas in 1595.

Hi all Anyone around, just wanted to say hello Elaine

Mike Hey thanks for the recent Brokkes info - nearly missed it due to all the problems. Jan

*** F.A,O.*** ..... Rosemary Cole. Sorry no sign of your Henry Toon(e) Baptism Thurcaston 1790 ~ 1812. But did spot this one :- Thurcaston. 6th. December. 1801. Joseph Son of Thomas & Ann Toon. Thurcaston. Lab. But I'll continue it next week *** F.A.O ***....... Janice Re George Brookes born Osbaston c 1766. ~ 1771. Sorry No Parish Registers found for Osbastone....Grrr I'll try Barlestone & Mkt Bosworth Parishes next week. I did find this Brookes event though Marriage Registers Cadeby Parish Church. Entry No. 9. 1st. July 1798. George Brookes. Bachelor. Mary Argel Wain. Spinster. Both of this Parish. Both signed by their own Marks = X times 2. Were married in this Church Following Banns 22nd April, 29th, April, 6th May. By Me :- Richard Lacy Curate. Wit's John Brookes. by his Mark = X Mary Hall. Did spot a Burial Entry for Cadeby :- 24th. December. 1800. George Brookes. Sorry NO age given. MIKE.. .

*** F.A.O.***….. Laura Following my visit to the Records Office yesterday Here is Francis’s Marriage Lockington cum Hemington. St. Nicholas Parish Church. Page 37. Entry No. 74. 29th. Nov. 1853. Francis Spencer. Full Age. Bachelor. Farm Servant. Hemington. Father :- William Spencer. Lab. Mary HURT. Full Age. Spinster. Hemington. Father.:- William HURT. Lab. Both of this Parish. Both signed by their Mark = X times 2. Married following Banns. By Philip Fosbrooke Vicar. Wit’s :- John Parker. Elizabeth Hurt. By her Mark = X.( Mary's Sister ) I have a photo copy of the above if you want it ? Interesting that William Hurt ( Father to Mary ) was within the same household as Francis Spencer on that 1851. Census. ( Next person down ) There is an Ann Hurt in the next village Long Whatton. in 1851. Aged 20 House servant.born Hemington. I think this is William Hurt’s Marriage :- Nottinghamshire. Barton in Fabis. William Hurt. ~ Sarah TAYLOR. 18th. June. 1832. William & Sarah are in Hemington 1841. Census Hope this helps you ? MIKE. xx UPDATED ... Scan winging it's way to you....