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Herta - Heinz Found see page 11. Happy Ending Than

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Karen Report 22 Jun 2006 14:46

Hi Athena, It would take time i guess, so go for it lol call them the archives people wouldnt mind would they?? i mean they only searched part of the story i wonder why they didnt look for her death??? ive done nothing this afternoon except keep track of this thread lol


♥Athena Report 22 Jun 2006 14:51

Karen - LOL, yeah, me too! Totally absorbing isn't it? Carol - Yes, I'll definitely do that. I'm going to make little bullet point notes so that I don't forget anything. Merry - good idea. Yes, I will definitely give them a contact number and also, those younger ones might have internet access so in that case I will refer to them to this site to see what a helpful, eager bunch we all are! So, tonight (it'll be late - after midnight) - we shall all know if it is a wonderful 'YES' or a miserable 'NO'.


LB Report 22 Jun 2006 14:53

Good Luck with the call!!


MaryfromItaly Report 22 Jun 2006 14:54

That's interesting, Chris. No. 518 is Recha Levy, the sister of Hertha Loebenstein from Leipzig. Is that where she wsa from? I don't have time to look back through the whole thread.


Karen Report 22 Jun 2006 14:55

just found this on net jewish genealogical society of great britian chestnut cemetary ( where ever that is) I found listed under Ullman ULLMAN LUCILLA HILDA 840514 (14. 05. 1984) could this be CILLY ULLMAN?

Merry Monty

Merry Monty Report 22 Jun 2006 14:57

Sounds possible, doesn't it, Karen? Name: Lucille Hilda Ullman Birth Date: 10 Mar 1925 Death Registration Month/Year: May 1984 Age at death (estimated): 59 Registration District: Hendon Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 13 Page: 541 Merry


♥Athena Report 22 Jun 2006 15:06

Mary from Italy/Chris I've just had a look at that website with the passenger info. Not so sure this is the same Hertha being mentioned as Recha Levy's sister because Recha mentions her brother Max Levy - so this would infer that Levy was their birth name and that Hertha was a Loebenstein by marriage...I think!

☺Carol in Dulwich☺

☺Carol in Dulwich☺ Report 22 Jun 2006 15:07

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♥Athena Report 22 Jun 2006 15:17

Carol - that's very interesting. If this call tonight proves fruitless, then maybe you could try contacting that society with all the info we have so far and see if they can carry on the search over there for Heinz. There's just no stopping us, is there LOL


Heather Report 22 Jun 2006 15:20

I think its a good idea to talk to the son or daughter in law first. I mean he is 86 and we dont know how frail he may be - dont want him keeling over as an end to the story do we? I do hope it is a nice surprise for him. I bet they will have it in the US papers if it all works out. Havent heard back re the air raid yet - will let you know when I do. Perhaps Heinz will know if other members of Hertha's family are alive and would like the letters etc. If not I bet a Museum would love them. Im already registered on the Jewish genealogy site - searching for my Edroffs if anyone wants me to check it out. Dont want to step on anyones toes here - too many cooks and all that!


Unknown Report 22 Jun 2006 15:24

Hi Carol, this should be made into a film, it is so absorbing. I totally agree with what you advised Athena to say, that way no one will be upset, and nothing needs to be said until it is confirmed who he is. Keep up the good work Gloria :-)))

☺Carol in Dulwich☺

☺Carol in Dulwich☺ Report 22 Jun 2006 15:36

This is the short reply I have just received from Lambeth Archives Dear Carol thank you so much for the information provided. This certainly is the lady. I suspect we missed her in our records as she was taken to a hospital and then buried just over the border in Southwark. Her death in a bomb incident explains why the family photos, carefully brought from Germany to presumed safety, were the abandoned; it also provides a rather poignant conclusion to the story regards Jon Newman

Snowdrops in Bloom

Snowdrops in Bloom Report 22 Jun 2006 15:41

Just catching up on the story (again) - been out all afternoon. Definitely the way to go - 'phone call to the children!!!! Good luck with the call Athena and don't get too nervous (you will not matter how hard you try not to). Fingers crossed everyone!!!!!!!!!!!! Snowdrops


♥Athena Report 22 Jun 2006 15:47

Heather - yes, I shall be asking to speak to Karen Boley (think I mentioned this somewhere above ...probably page 6...or 5 ?) and if she's not there I'll ask for Howard (I think that may be the son of Henry). I shouldn't think there are any toes to be trodden on here LOL - we're all pooling our resources, time and energy to finish something that Lambeth Archives began (who appear to have considered the story finalised now they are aware of Herta's death), so if you're able to think of any ways you could search on that Jewish site you belong to I don't see why you shouldn't. You might just come up with something on Heinz. I know they say too many cooks spoil the broth but then again...the more the merrier...and many hands do make light work! LOL


Zoe Report 22 Jun 2006 15:54

hey everyone - I forgot to look at the old MIrrors so I'll shuffle up there and do it once I've eaten this melon not as exciting as calling New York - but I like to feel I'm doing my little bit Zoe **UPDATE**** They only hold old copies going back 20 years on site so I'm afraid I'm a dead end for now - sorry everyone ;o(


Karen Report 22 Jun 2006 16:01

Its a shame lambeth feel that the story is finished with rather than try and reunite the suitcase with the right person Lets hope we can finish off what they started lol


Salty Report 22 Jun 2006 16:25

By the way where is the suitcase now and wll they give it up?? Rod


Dave Report 22 Jun 2006 16:25

Are you people seriously considering invading the privacy of an 86 year old man ? I find it disgraceful. We are here to research the dead, not ring up complete strangers asking personal questions. I am truly amazed. It is unbelievable


Karen Report 22 Jun 2006 16:35

We Are here to research our family history and anyone else that needs helping, i am sure if you had been a relative wouldnt you want the belongings back rather than sold to some newspaper so everyone could read your personal details?


Pauline Report 22 Jun 2006 16:39

I agree with Karen. Pauline