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Mrs.  Blue Eyes

Mrs. Blue Eyes Report 20 Jun 2008 19:46

I can't understand those who seek sanctuary here (or other countries) and then stir up trouble preaching hate racism and violence.. it just puzzles me.. surely it's like pooping in your own nest??

Mrs.  Blue Eyes

Mrs. Blue Eyes Report 20 Jun 2008 19:39

Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza has lost his High Court battle against extradition to the US where he faces terror-related charges.
Two judges ruled that the decision to extradite was "unassailable".
Egyptian-born Hamza, 51, from west London, who is fitted with hooks on both partially-amputated arms, is serving a seven-year jail term for stirring up racial hatred and inciting followers to murder non-believers.
The US authorities want He could face a total of 11 terrorism charges, including sending money and recruits to assist the Taliban and al Qaida.
Sir Igor Judge and Mr Justice Sullivan, sitting at the High Court in London, gave his lawyers 14 days to apply for leave to launch a final appeal to the House of Lords after dismissing his case.
Senior district judge Timothy Workman ruled at Westminster Magistrates' Court that Hamza, currently held at Belmarsh top-security prison in south east London, could be extradited, and in February this year Home Secretary Jacqui Smith gave the final approval.
The High Court judges said they had reached the "clear conclusion that the order made by Judge Workman was properly made, and that the subsequent decision of the (Home Secretary) was unassailable".
Hamza's lawyers had argued at the High Court in London that extradition was unlawful because he would be tried in the US "on the basis of the fruits of torture". They said there was clear evidence that torture was used on some individuals in the process of gathering the information which led to the US extradition request.
They also contended that it would be "unjust and oppressive" to extradite because of the passage of time and incompatible with Hamza human rights. They said any further trials should take place in London

Cumbrian Caz~**~

Cumbrian Caz~**~ Report 20 Jun 2008 19:36

yes blue eyes,

I see the value of that Kay but our taxes keep him and thats bad!!

Caz x


Kay???? Report 20 Jun 2008 19:32

maybe its a case ..old saying keep your friends close but your enemy even closer,,,,,,,,,!

we are only privvy to what they wish to make public,,,

Mrs.  Blue Eyes

Mrs. Blue Eyes Report 20 Jun 2008 19:25

Are we talking about Abu Hamza??

Cumbrian Caz~**~

Cumbrian Caz~**~ Report 20 Jun 2008 19:18

Thankou all for your opinions,

I have found this very interesting,

In my opinion he is scum and has no rights, sorry if this offends!!!

Caz xxx

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥ Report 20 Jun 2008 13:50

I agree with Caz and Eldrick too Len...............much safer if agencies know where he is and the bail conditions are very strict.

Pablo..................I'm sure everyone in the forces have their own opinions all the time..............they might not voice them in public though.


John Report 20 Jun 2008 13:50

I'm with you Pablo - I'm too are ex-military, but what that has got to do with it, I don't know. You've got in right with "Human Rights", a simple case of not upsetting you know who. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


pablo1513 Report 20 Jun 2008 13:50

Eldrick have been out of the forces long enough now to have my own opinions.


Len Report 20 Jun 2008 13:49

I thought it was 70 virgins ? With the number of people who have blown themselves up, there can`t be many more virgins left in their heaven pmsl


Len Report 20 Jun 2008 13:46

I agree wholeheartedly with Eldrick and Caz.


pablo1513 Report 20 Jun 2008 13:44

OK then Eldrick,
If he is to stay, then he should be made to pay and not the taxpayers of this country.

No legal aid (paid for by us tax payers)

If it was any of us that were accused of the sort of things that he has been accused of in his country do you think we would be treated with "kid gloves" not on your life we would be found guilty as charged then sentence carried out. Oh yes and the government of this "great " country of ours would just let us rot in some foreign jail.



Eldrick Report 20 Jun 2008 13:37

Pablo, being ex - military, I thought you would be able to see the bigger picture....

I would suggest that the situation is not as clear cut as it may appear to the casual observer!


pablo1513 Report 20 Jun 2008 13:35

He is not being deported because it will breach his "Human Rights" what human rights what about the "Human Rights " of the people (our troop etc) who he delights in the death of.

Send him back and let him face consequences .f he is executed the tough luck


Teddys Girl

Teddys Girl Report 20 Jun 2008 12:32

Send him back to Jordan, let them have him.
If he wanted asylum in this country, being frightened of being in Jordan, he should abide by our rules.


AnnCardiff Report 19 Jun 2008 22:54

I thought Jordan was one of our Allies or am I mistaken? With regard to this man, at first I was horrified he wasn't deported as I suppose are most people in the UK, but then you have to ask yourself why supposedly intelligent people have decided to keep him here - not too sure about that one but I would imagine there's an awful lot we are not privy to


eRRolSheep Report 19 Jun 2008 22:50

Precisely Dermot


eRRolSheep Report 19 Jun 2008 22:49

Where do we propose sending him back to


Dermot Report 19 Jun 2008 22:41

Experience shows that there are two sides to every story. So far, I feel we have heard only one side of the case.

Cumbrian Caz~**~

Cumbrian Caz~**~ Report 19 Jun 2008 22:29

me too Maggie, i think thats what gets to a lot of us,

But as Eldrick says there must be more,

Caz xx