General Chat

Elaine, thank you for your kind offer, but I am fine, truly!

This was with medical supervision.... bp taken daily etc etc. medical centre is just across the road from me. It was done under strict medical supervision, I can assure you!

I was even invited to stay in hospital whilst it was happening... but I reckoned that the food would be more nutritious at home, lol!!

The end result was that I proved what I had been saying all along... the only way I can lose weight is by going on a diet that is dangerous and totally unhealthy, even if it consists of good quality and nutritious food... a diet like that has the rebound effect of putting the body into *starvation* mode.... so any weight lost is doubled as soon as normal (healthy!!) eating is resumed!!

My *normal* diet is extremely healthy!!

The GP and dietician had suggested slimming pills and/or surgery, fgs! I have got to lose weight as I am considered morbidly obese! Plus high bp (from age of 17, when I was lovely and slim, was until I was 47!)

I know that I have an endocrinal problem... and I know it is fixable, and now the GP is listening to me!!

As I said... I proved my point. Without pills, and without surgery!

Love

Daff xxx

I will add that a bloke at work who has completed 5 iron man competitions had his BMI tested and he came out as OBESE............ the man is as fit as a butchers dog.......


PLEASE REMEMBER THAT MUSCLE WEIGHS MORE THAN FAT!!

xx

Much classier, Jill:-)) lol

Oops - Hayley's here. I will go and behave - promise!!

(Two olives on a dining table?)

Jill

Behave

two pickled onions on an ironing board ?




Barrie

Know what you mean Angie - any more cracks about two pickled onions on an ironing board and I'll deck someone! So help me I will!

Jill

Well, I don't know - I think there is something in this genetic thing. I'm one of those naturally "slim" people. Woe betide anyone else who tells me I'm too thin! My mother was the same, my sisters were, my son is - in fact all my nephews are as well so there must be something in it.

My father was a chef - pastry a speciality. And when I was a child (in the 60s) my mother's part of the cooking consisted of the suet side - steak & kidney pud, dumplings, roly poly. We all ate like horses. I still do.

I'm not good at breakfast - a juice or a smoothy I can manage but not much else as it makes me feel queasy - but I can pack away my lunch and an evening meal and I do like a drop of wine or beer. If I skip one meal a day the weight will fall off. I have been known to lose a pound a day for a week or more (when I had sinusitis once, and another couple of occasions when I had a chest infection). It then takes months and months to put that weight back on. It's, frankly, a nuisance. I feel the cold the whole time, I cannot get trousers that fit properly and I hate this constant "You're so lucky to be so slim" stuff. Drives me mad. I'd rather have a bigger bum and proper boobs - believe me.

Oh, and my cholesterol is a bit high. Just because I am able to eat crap food because I don't put on weight doesn't mean that I can - I have to watch that as well!!


Jill

I'd just like to mention, that those who have met me can vouch I'm more than a bit puddy :o))

The above was a way of life diet which did work for me at the time, and certainly does no harm as its healthy eating anyhow.

I have suffered because of my weight, its not helped the depression I often get. I have a poor self image, and often a low self esteem because I hate the way that I look. I cant find nice clothes that hang right on my body, everything looks wrong. I live in t shirts & trousers, leggings when Im slumming it indoors..

Daff

Eating 600 calories a day is dangerous and unhealthy...no wonder you stopped at only 2bs loss. Your body would go into starvation mode, slowing your metabolism so you dont lose the weight.

Eating more healthy balanced foods may not make you lose more weight, if you have other medical reasons why you dont, but it will be healthy for your body, and your well being.

If you ever feel you want to talk, feel free to pm me x

Thank you Daff it looks like i will have to stay poor lol

Barrie

Thank you Barrie, but I for one, was tongue in cheek... I really don't require your assistance!

As you can see from my last post..... I could probably write a better one myself.

My point is that if someone has a metabolic problem.... then diet is not going to be effective!!

I will look for a eating plan on that site i got the info from




Barrie

Hi Elaine......

For many people, it isn't as simple as that, it really really isn't.

I so wish it was.

It is so soul destroying when you hear people telling you how they have lost their weight, how easy it has become for them to maintain that weight. No offence meant.... I am really really pleased when anyone has found anything that makes them feel and look healthy, happy, and energetic!

Earlier this year I lost 2 whole pounds in 2 weeks... but stuck to a diet consisting of an average of 600 calories per day.

I was very strict, and was careful to include all the nutrients that I could, so that I was getting what my body needs just to tick over.

I supplemented with certain vitamins, minerals etc, and included these in the calorific tally!

As you will appreciate... this was not a healthy diet at all... it was impossible to consume the minimum daily nutritional requirement, no matter what your size!! After 2 weeks, my dietician and I agreed that this was impossible to maintain!!

Incidentally... part of my job was to work out diets for people with syndromes/disabilites which affect their ability to utilize food efficiently, syndromes such as Praader Willi, diabetes, cystic fibrosis, cerebal palsy.

I know my stuff, and was good at it!

So I continue to eat my healthy, normal diet, using organic produce whenever I can, almost always home made.

I also have the occasional treat.... weekend glasses of wine, the occasional slice of Cheddar cheese on toast.... and when I go out I always, absolutely always have chips...

I used to feel as though I was a real glutton having these treats.....but I am not, my diet is better even than the dieticia's.

And to cheat would only be cheating myself... I feel far too ill to do that. I just want to be well again.

Sorry about the essay, lol!!

Love

Daff xxx

There are so many theories when it comes to weight loss.

Whilst eating at certain times will make someone lose 5 stone, it may do nothing for another, eating the same diet, at the same time.

The only diet I will ever follow, is the diet from my dietitian, given to me over 9 years ago. I lost three stone on that, it was a choose from each category diet, but really they were guides..so much oily fish, so much rice, so much potato...in fact it was really a guide to eating a balanced diet with the correct portion sizes of meat fish, potato etc.

Within weeks, there was no weighing out, but more of a judgement on sizes which you really should continue for ever.

I ended up eating more, but a balanced more, with more free food such as salads & veggies to bulk out the meals.

Slipping back into old ways, & using food as an emotional crutch was my downfall, but I am going to lose weight for my holiday next year s an incentive, and will again go on this healthy eating plan, also as before having the odd treat here and there and not denying myself anything I may fancy to eat.

thanks maggie ....i love cucumber ....mmmm

Daff, totally agree about the pesticides etc. The 60's did us all a disservice.
Not only were farmers gaily spraying our food with poison, the introduction of the birth pill now means there are vast amounts of female hormones in our water!!
Could this be the cause of infertility in some women and 'man boobs' in men?

Hi Stella,
My friend could eat as much celery and cucumber as she liked!!!

I'm FAT.... worse than that , I'm OBESE....

been on steroids for years, and started on 40 mg's a day.
I do not spend my time eating... I never eat after 6 at night (I would never sleep) and I eat three meals a day.
Fruit is a big thing in our house... we eat loads of veg, we eat mainly brown seed bread....... oh I know what is wrong.....
We have a coffee and a cake or biscuit at about 3.00!
No apologies to anyone...
The steroids saved my life, should I complain about the side affects?
I don't think so.
Deanna X

Behave ...

Hiya Maggie.... strange you should ask where all the fat people were..... they died!!

My gran collapsed and died when I was four months old. She was 55 years old.

This was in 1954.... and photos I have show that she was very overweight, and clearly had a goitre from the time she was about 35, and all during the war.

My mother remembers her as eating very small amounts, and there wasn't the fat or the sugar around... the family sugar rations were saved for birthdays and Christmas.
They kept chickens and grew vegetables, there was no running water in the house etc etc etc!

Her death certificate shows that the heart disease which killed her was almost certainly caused by problems with her endocrinal system.

When this is faulty... then many many varying problems occur. And you become more susceptible to the *triggers*

I personally think that the modern, chemical filled diet has a lot to answer foras far as the triggers are concerned.

And me? Well, I grew up on all fresh veg, homecooked stuff... still do, but allow the odd treat.

But there have been serious poisons, many banned now, but used in the food chain for many many years, pesticides etc, that MUST have had an effect on our immune systems, and maybe those of our unborn children, either because of what the mother consumes whilst pregnant, or because of what the father ate before conception!

So... maybe it IS the food we eat... but not necessarily the type of food or the times or way that it is eaten, but more the way that our food and soil is polluted in the growing and *fattening* up of it.

Incidentally, my mother, one of my brothers and 2 of my sisters eat for Britain.... cake, sweet stuff etc... and they are like matchsticks... my mother is 75, 5ft 1in and under 7 stone... always has been!


Love

Daff xxx