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JustJohn

JustJohn Report 16 Jan 2013 10:49

"We can't change the past". DET. Agree with premis, but not conclusion.

I think we all have to look to the future, whether we believe that the current union is right or we want to have democracies within each of the nations within these islands.

And let's sort it out peacefully through the ballot box.

I cannot understand why we have 6 nations in the rugby, all of the nations with varying degrees of autonomy from the traditional government of England based in the City of Westminster. Yet not all those 6 nations are considered fully competent or large enough to manage their own house without a benevolent landlord.

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 16 Jan 2013 10:56

Erratum:

Yep, typo,sorry - Non vice Nom :-S

John - quite right - she was born in Dyfed - teach me not to work on more than one thing at a time in future ! Duh !! :-(

Cynthia - nice piece !!! Think I'd plump for St Jerome :-D

Tec - the flag of St George was, I think, originally Genoese. Also, during one of the Crusades, the Pope 'allocated' national 'colours' - Red Cross on White was originally French, with English being the reverse. These were swopped over during the Crusade.

St David has the same form of flag - Yellow/gold cross on black background.

Also apologies to any Cornwallians - didn't mention St Piran or Perran. Birthplace not known, but thinking is that he may have been Irish. His flag: white cross on a black backgound.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Jan 2013 11:03

*all of the nations with varying degrees of autonomy from the traditional government of England based in the City of Westminster.*

England doesn't have a degree of autonomy!!! There is NO elected government or assembly which represents *only* the English electorate!

The >British< Government is based in London, England, and has elected MPs from all parts of the Unions based on the number of constituants. Don't know when London became the Capital, probably in the days of William the Conk.

added @ 11.05- got that out of my system for now, and will try not to return to the deviated topic ;-)

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 16 Jan 2013 11:30

Westminster.

English government for over 700 years.

Wales had own government in 15th century, Tudor Kings (Welsh) felt they had conquered England in 1536 Union between England and Wales.

Scotland came into Union of England and Wales in 18th century. Don't know about Ireland and Cornwall.

But all these nations had/have pride, culture, patron saints and own government till relatively recently.

Yet if Bretons come to the UK, they are considered French. And if Welsh go to France, they are considered English:-( :-(