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Robert, Helen

Sorry if this query has moved on somewhere.....

Has Helen found her grandmother (elizabeth Mary) on any census?

This family is interesting:
1881 census transcription details for: 28, Paradise Ple, Islington
RG number: RG11
Piece: 265
Folio: 12
Page: 18
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Islington East
Parish: Islington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Paradise Ple, Islington
CARTER, Charles Head Married M 36 1845 Painter
Islington, Middlesex
CARTER, Mary A Wife Married F 38 1843 Washerwoman
Islington, Middlesex
CARTER, Eliza Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex
CARTER, George Son Single M 12 (9?) on image 1869 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex
CARTER, Fred Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex
CARTER, John Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Islington, Middlesex

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1891 census transcription details for: 25, Wiltshire Row, Shoreditch, London
(CORTER on Ancestry)
RG number: RG12
Piece: 249
Folio: 198
Page: 46
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Hoxton New Town
Parish: Shoreditch
Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 25, Wiltshire Row, Shoreditch, London
County: London
CARBERT, Charles Head Married M 42 1849 General Labourer
Islington, London
CARBERT, Mary Ann Wife Married F 46 1845
Islington, London
CARBERT, George Son Single M 16 1875
Hoxton, London
CARBERT, Eliza Daughter Single F 20 1871 Tin Box Maker
Islington, London
CARBERT, Robert Son Single M 24 1867 House(Horse_ Keeper
Islington, London
CARBERT, John Son Single M 18 1873 Glass Blower
Islington, London

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Eliza Jane Carter
Name: Eliza Jane Carter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1870
Father's Name: Charles Carter
Mother's name: Mary Ann Carter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John William Carter
Name: John William Carter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1872
Father's Name: Charles Carter
Mother's name: Mary Ann Carter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
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Both the above have the Upper Queen address and father is a brick*.

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Thomas Carter
Name: George Thomas Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Age: 18
Spouse Name: Clara Morris
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Sep 1892
Parish: Islington St John the Baptist
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Charles Carter
Spouse Father: James Morris
Register Type: Parish Registe...
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Frederick Henry Carter
Name: Frederick Henry Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Sarah Waters
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1896
Parish: Islington St John the Baptist
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Chas Carter
Spouse Father: Thomas Waters
Register Type: Parish Register
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Some of the children seem to appear on the London Schools Admission on Ancestry. All at the Anglers school. In 1883...George with a father Charles,a painter,was living at 42 Popham-same birth address as Helen's grandmother.

Doesn't really help with Charles and perhaps not even the same family. :-)

Maureen

Name: Charles Robert Carter
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1883
Registration District: Bethnal Green
County: London
Event Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 1C
Page: 311
Line Number: 91

Charles Robert Carter probably married one of the following people
Name: Susannah Beard
Name: Julie Mascall

Name: Charles Robert Carter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Birthplace: London Islington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hackney
Sub-District: South West Hackney
Parish: St John At Hackney
County: London

Name: Charles Robert Carter
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1891
Registration District: Islington
County: London
Event Place: Islington, London, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 1B
Page: 462
Line Number: 290
Charles Robert Carter probably married one of the following people
Name: Sarah Ann Adams
Name: Ann Collins

Name: Charles Robert Carter
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1867
Registration District: Islington
County: London
Event Place: Islington, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 1B
Page: 331
Line Number: 279

Name: Charles Robert Carter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birthplace: London Islington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hackney
Sub-District: South West Hackney
Parish: St John At Hackney
County: London

on the 1871 census Philip Carter 9, is Philip Edward Lane, Bn 20/5/1862 5a William Street Islington father Philip Lane, Robert Carter 4, is Charles Robert Carter Bn 15/10/1867 5 Windsor Street Islington. I've track P E Lane to Mutford and Yarmouth. but have not found any more details of C R.
Thanks again.

To All, Thank you for your help,,,,,,, Nan was Bn 23/11/1887, 42 Popham Road, marr to Harry Trowbridge 23/12/1906 Christ church Hoxton living 58 Baring Rd.
one other Q, on the 1871 census is a Maria Carter 7 She could be a Lane or Carter have not found any info re her.
Will check your information Thanks again

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Name: John Ebden
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1887
Registration District: Shoreditch
County: London
Event Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Age (available after 1866):
Birth Year (Estimated):
Volume: 1C
Page: 93
Line Number: 16

I've sent a message to poster asking her to return

I agree that the witnesses' names look like John and Elizabeth Ebdon.

What was your Nan's name? Address, please, from both birth & MC? Have you identified the witnesses on her MC if they are from the Carter side?

The more names of associated family members you can give us, the more chance there is of picking them up on census

1871 for our benefit - sometimes having the information you already gave in a different format helps us

1871 England Census about Charles Carter
Name: Charles Carter
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Pentonville, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 28a
Household schedule number: 284
Piece: 289
Folio: 25
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Carter 29
Mary A Carter 29
Phillip Carter 9
Maria Carter 7
Robert Carter 4

The image of the marriage is also on Ancestry - can anyone make out the names of the witnesses? Have you followed them through to see if they are related on the Carter side?

Possibly John Ebdon and Elizabeth Ebdon ( but open to alternative suggestions)
Both Bride and Groom give an address of 20 Pearson St

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Carter
Name: Charles Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Lane (widow)
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 May 1867
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Carter
Spouse Father: Elizabeth Banks Bland XXXX Edward Banks Bland
Register Type: Parish Register

Picking up on Ann's first baptism which she found on Familysearch

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Carter
Name: Charles Carter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Sep 1841
Father's Name: James Carter
Mother's name: Mary Ann Carter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

The image says he was born on 20 Aug, lived at Mill Row and that James was a Pen Maker. James could possibly have changed his occupation in later years.
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Although Charles's birth may have been registered, it wasn't compulsory to do so until about 1876

Name: Mary Ann Sarah Carter
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Jan 1838
Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Carter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 396240, 396241, 396242

Name: William Frederick Carter
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Feb 1840
Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Carter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 396240, 396241, 396242

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Name: James Carter
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 May 1832
Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 21 Oct 1832
Father's Name: James Carter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-6
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 396238, 396239, 396240