General Chat

I rest my case :-D :-D

Did you know that kilograms aren't even a unit of weight? If you have a kilo bag of sugar; that wieghs 2.2lbs, right? Take that sugar to the Moon and it only weighs about 4oz; but is still a kilogram of sugar. Kilograms are a unit of mass (the amount of matter something is made of). Pounds are a unit of weight, which is the force a mass exerts on the ground upon which it stands. ;-)

I daresay that Gove's brexit may involve converting England & Wales into an ersatz of Australia rather than Norway. Brexit should have been clearer and those who wanted that could have been given, say, £ 5 000 or whatever Oz points demands and a one way ticket. It would have been far cheaper than the billion dollar hit taken by the City (i.e. UK pensions) and more to come.

As it is now the exit side from Hanning and Boris downwards are backtracking on their promises such as loadsa money for the NHS, ongoing agricultural support and significant cuts in immigration. Apparently their "promises" have been "misunderstood" or even "not made". I guess the big red battle bus was a mirage then.

Now the nasty closet fascists such as Junkers and Schulz are pressing to eject the UK ASAP. a BIG ROW is brewing as our mop headed PM in waiting sees no hurry and neither does Frau Merkel. Merkel wants a UK "Association Agreement". Over time E&W could become more and more associated ...

In any case a big chunk of those who voted brexit or were at Glastonbury now want their money back and have launched a petition for that. It looks set to pretty well match the leave majority lol.

Given the leave vote was razor thin (2%) and that the economic weight was solidly behind Remain the new UK govt is going to be in an extremely tricky position.

Its enemies (many) in Europe and Edinburgh are already putting the boot in.
The real time majority for brexit has probably already gone.
Implementing brexit will involve a lot of pain and trouble over the next few years for which support will rapidly ebb away. The pain and trouble will be greatest in those places which most voted for it such as Wigan and Boston. There are no sunlit uplands of trade with NZ and Oz on the other side either - both are far too small and don't need made in the UK Nissans. China has said the vote is stupid and has no plans for a special UK trade deal.

No wonder Boris and Gove have already said that there is no rush. The near future looks like being a Mexican stand off.

Indeed many serious pundits are wondering if brexit will ever really happen or if it does will de facto be a morphed version of what we had before.

Nothing much will happen anytime soon however much Junkers stamps his feet before the Tories have crowned Boris AND he has held a snap general election which will bury what's left of the Labour Party. Boris will of course want the votes of the millions of Tory remain voters. Quite how that may influence govt policy Q1 2017 work out for yourselves.

heh heh

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

ps Graham would not get his a level physics still less a job at NASA. Naughty corner for you
The imperial or US pound is also defined as a unit of force or mass.

One of my distant ancestors lived in a village nr Grantham, Lincs. He had very strong views about this sort of thing and so far nobody has proved him wrong. An apple a day ...

"Canada and the US are both much larger than the UK, and have much worse conditions that you'll ever see."

how do you think that ?
I have worked all over the USA and seen all sorts of things which as you say have not existed ub the UK in modern times. South LA, old people living in cars in Florida unable to pay for their meds, slum housing in Ontario ...

UK population: 65 million Canada population: 35 million
empty space will never make you rich especially if has been colonised by mosquitos and oil companies. Canada is one of the few countries 3 000 miles long and 100 miles wide ( inhabited bits that is ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r92FRKD4axw

Despite the size of the USA the outlook of most people is incredibly parochial. Maybe that is why democracy is so strong there.

:-) :-)

Yes yes yes yes yes

There may have been a big surprise had we been balloted upon whether we wanted that change as well.

One of our local butchers have just this morning are using both imperial and metric weight. Good for them :-D :-D :-D

This is what we like to see!

Let's raise flagon of ale (about 2 pints) to that!

Allan Report 25 Jun 2016 11:34

I rest my case :-D :-D

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I agree :-D :-D :-D :-D

Rollo

you have no idea what I am talking about have you????????

Yes, there are slum areas in the US and parts of Canada that Brits have never seen before

Much of it due to acts by British and other foreginers back in the day. Now Canadians are trying to right the wrongs that self righteous missionaries did beginning 150-200 years ago.

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is, and help out???

Thought not!

However, what I meant when talking about planes and conditions was the geographical features found in the US and Canada, the reason why the major cities are found within 100 miles of the border ................

long stretches of uninhabitable land

high mountains

deep cold and ice covered areas

thousands of miles where there is no cell phone reception ........... :-0 :-0 :-0


Australia also has miles and miles of land that is uninhabitable, except by First Nations people, and similar harsh conditions although in reverse .... ie heat where we have cold, sand deserts where we have ice


Remember one thing please ..................

you cannot truly know a country, its people, its problems, etc unless you have lived there for at least 5 years.

I'll find you a job in Inuvik if you wish ............... THEN you can make the sort of comments that you insist on making, but only after 2021.

But please no more parroting of what you relations have told you

There is little pointy in dwelling on what might and might not have happened 200 years ago, or even 50 years ago.

The world has moved on.

The problem with the EU referendum is that that the final vote was tipped by those who lived in the past. Those who have to live and manage the result, who incidentally mainly voted to stay in Europe are devastated.

IGP

They'll come round ........... they have to ............... and make the best of it.

That's the point of being in a democracy, having votes and referenda so that the "public" has a say in what happens.

Someone always loses because a majority vote for the other option.

To do otherwise would be a dictatorship, where the public is called the ignorant dirty unwashed and have to be ruled

Do you, or they, really want that???

I thought not!

They just wanted their own way ................. but it turned out they were on the minority side


I'm disgusted by some of the vitriol I've seen expressed on social media by those who lost.

THAT is what is driving away other countries.

BTW .............


IGP .....

..... in case it slipped by you, my comments about what happened 200 or so years ago were in response to Rollo's unwanted, ignorant and off topic remarks about Canada and Australia, both countries that he claims to know all about on the absis of a few visits and comments by relatives..

Bad loser comes to mind.

The majority voted leave, so get used to it. We voted the way we felt was best for Great Britain.
The fact that other EU members are thinking the same way must say something.


Getting back to the subject...
I still use pounds & ounces when baking. Feet /inches/yards when measuring my needlework.

I am quite used to the metric systems now - but you know the great virtue of the old measuring tables was its training in mental arithmetic! All you need now is to understand the decimal point. But we had to do sums with uneven proportions of pennies, shillings, pounds - and then with inches, feet, and ounces, pounds and stones. And no calculators, even in written work you had to wrestle them in your head! I see m to remember that "mental" was an important part of arithmetic lessons for years.

And fractions too.

A thou means something to me which a millimetre doesn't.

Our old money was so practical.A pound divided so well.

240d

20/-

3x 6/8

6x 3/4

8 x 2/6

4 x 5/-

5 x 4/-

12 x 1/8

You just can't do that with 100p.

For what it is worth ..............

This is my belief ............

If youngsters did not register to vote, they have no right to complain that "their" side lost.

Similarly, no-one has the right to complain that someone voted the opposite "side", or to take them to task for doing so ........... that's the essence of democracy.

Unfortunately, one side always has to lose and one side always has to win.

Democracy means that the losers have to accept that they "lost", and move on with life. The majority won, so everyone has now to work together to achieve what the majority voted for.

Democracy does not mean calling for another referendum being held, and another and another, until you get the result that you wanted. Nor does it mean making accusations against those who did not vote for "your" side.

I prefer working in metric myself.

What I found most annoying about the referendum is the amount of bile and hated shown by the remain side.
Boris getting booed and yelled at as he appeared the morning after.
The insults given about the older generation, about being not as well educated and shouldn't have the right to vote. Not including being called racist and bigot's.

But I suppose the Brexiter's aren't that much better, the Polish community in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire has allegedly had hate mail distributed already.

I'm sure we are well aware there have been lies told by the politicians, I think the old joke is probably more true then we jest.
"How do you know when a politician is lying, their mouth moves."

As has already been said this country is supposed to be a democracy, what has happened to it?

As for a call for a second referendum, the last one cost a estimated £149million, another one this soon would be a total waste of money in my opinion.

It is time for this country to stand together, look to the future and make the best of what it brings. If we carry on bickering like we are, this country will fail in everything.