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John Cullen b1918 in UK. Is he in New Zealand?

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Linzi

Linzi Report 15 Sep 2011 17:24

Hello. I am looking to trace my great uncle who may currently reside in New Zealand.

His half-sister, Sarah Ann Stockton (nee Scotter, born November 1926 in Hull) is my paternal grandmother and has recently been widowed after nearly 62 years of marriage. I don't know anything about his father other than the surname, but know their mother was Mary Ellen Jenkinson, born 1897 in Filey, North Yorkshire.

Sarah and John (known as Jack) were very close as children and I would be thrilled if anyone could help get them back in touch with one another.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:34

Have you checked 'search trees'?

Did the mother marry Mr Cullen?

Can you please confirm that you have accurate birth years...........I would thought a 13-year gap would preclude 'closeness' as children

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:40

Births Dec 1926 (>99%)
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Scotter Sarah A Jenkinson Sculcoates 9d 172


Do you have the record of the marriage of her parents?

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:44

IF this is the marriage of Sarah's parents, one must assume that Mary Ellen's marriage to Cullen preceded that of this union

Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)
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Cullen Mary E Scotter Sculcoates 9d 460
Scotter George W Cullen Sculcoates 9d 460


???????????????


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Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
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CULLEN George Jenkinson Scarbro 9d 856
Jenkinson Mary E Cullen Scarbro 9d 856


Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:47

Was 'Jack' actually John R?

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Cullen Mary E Jenkinson Scarbro 9d 708

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Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Cullen John R Jenkinson Scarbro 9d 547
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Mary must have been born earlier than 1899!

A couple of possibilities

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Jenkinson Mary Ellen Scarbro' 9d 377

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Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Jenkinson Mary Ellen Scarbro' 9d 403

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:48

IF this is Mary E's death, the 1897 birth fits

Deaths Mar 1944 (>99%)
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Scotter Mary E 46 Newcastle T 10b 46

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 17:53

Mmmmmmmm

If this is the death of Mary's husband..............who fathered John R?

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Cullen George 27 Sculcoates 9d 236


Purely speculative, BUT...no other death in the time-span

Linzi

Linzi Report 15 Sep 2011 18:09

I know that Mary had children to three fathers; George Scotter (4 children, one died in infancy), unknown Cullen (2 children) and the third father was not listed on the birth certificate, therefore her youngest child took her mother's maiden name as her surname.

Most years of birth are estimates based on what my grandmother and father can remember. Mary was definitely born in Filey and died 'young', as my grandmother took over caring for her brothers and sisters, hence the closeness.

Thank you all for your help.

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 18:43

I've given you the two Cullen childrens' births.

IF the birth year you have been given of 1939 is accurate............the surname would not have been Cullen

So is this 'Jack' the one who was given her maiden name?

For accurate research, you need accurate birth info

You should try looking through the records on freebmd.........and see if you can find one to match your 'info'

Linzi

Linzi Report 15 Sep 2011 21:59

I feel like you know more than me, no wonder I couldn't find birth records! Just spoken to my dad who said Jack was definitely older than Sarah. Also his true sibling Mary coincides with the information I had (although birth date was also totally wrong).

The youngest born is Jane Jenkinson, no idea of birth date, although I think her mother died in her 40's. I'm not sure about this, I think one of Sarah's parent died in their mid-40's, the other died in their late 90's.

My grandmother must have been one who was looked after by older siblings, rather than the one doing the looking after.

Thank you so much for your help.

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 22:43

Sometimes, the picture looks clearer to someone who isn't 'involved', and has no pre-conceptions about events etc. I just dealt with the records as I found them.............

Isn't that Mary's death which I posted at 17:48?

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 22:53

1901?

Name: Mary Ellen Jenkinson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Stainton Dale, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Stainton Dale
Ecclesiastical parish: Cloughton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 4534
Folio: 50
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Johnson 53
Mary Taylor 57
Thomas Taylor 22
Mary Ellen Jenkinson 3

Flick

Flick Report 15 Sep 2011 22:57

1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: JOHNSON, Aaron
Address: Stainton Dale Cloughton So Yorkshire

JOHNSON, Aaron Head Single M 63 1848 General Labourer Yorks Stainton Dale VIEW
JOHNSON, Mary Sister Widow F 64 1847 Housekeeper Yorks Stainton Dale VIEW
JOHNSON, Robert Nephew Single M 35 1876 Traction Engine Driver Yorks Stainton Dale VIEW
JENKINSON, Nellie Niece F 13 1898 School Yorks Scarboro VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28952 Reference:


Flick

Flick Report 16 Sep 2011 10:29

Passenger list search results (from FMP)

CULLEN John Ronald 1918 M 1947 Southampton New Zealand Wellington VIEW VIEW

My sub doesn't allow me to view the deatils

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 16 Sep 2011 11:14

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr John Ronald CULLEN
Date of departure: 28 December 1947
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand

Date of Birth: 1918 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: R N Z A F
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 18




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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ATLANTIS
135497
Commander D R Lee
Ministry Of Transport
New Zealand

8529
614

the address on the ships log for J R Cullen is

R N Z A F
Halifax House
Strand
London WC 1

Valerie

Valerie Report 17 Sep 2011 01:34

Hi - ....
the 'National Library of NZ' (on-line) has an 'Ask a Librarian' service ...they will check their records including newspaper death notices and electoral rolls (past & present).
Valerie (WAus)

AmazingGrace08

AmazingGrace08 Report 17 Sep 2011 06:54

The only John Ronald Cullen record for death in New Zealand:

NZ BMD records the following death:

Registration Number: 1997/43399
Family Name: Cullen
Given Name(s): John Ronald
Date of Birth/Age at death: 31 July 1907

AmazingGrace08

AmazingGrace08 Report 17 Sep 2011 06:58

The 1949 Electoral Roll for Rangitikei, Manawatu-Wanganui shows John Ronald Cullens, R.N.Z.A.F. Ohakea, and employed as a Aircraftsman

AmazingGrace08

AmazingGrace08 Report 17 Sep 2011 07:00

By 1963 he is residing in Grey Lynn, Auckland and living at 83 Rose Road, and employed as a Cargo Worker.

There are quite a few records for him, if you want these, let me know and I will pm them to you rather than put them all here.

Linzi

Linzi Report 19 Sep 2011 10:16

Thank you all so much for your help!

I have sent a message through the 'Ask a Librarian' function, thank you Valerie.

Thank you to Sue in Leeds for the expanded passenger list records.

And very special thanks to Flick and Amazing Grace08 for all your hard work.

You've all been amazing!