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Roy Herbert

Roy Herbert Report 27 Oct 2012 20:33

I am searching living relatives in Newcastle. They would be 1st cousins of my mum Agnes nee Rudge, married to Edmund Rennan, Norway. My mothers mum and dad where Mary Nicol Tait and Horace Charles Rudge.

Relatives I am searching for are Margaret and Winnie and I belive they also where born Tait.

If anyone has any information that could help me to make contact or any other information please contact me.

Roy H. Rennan


KathleenBell Report 27 Oct 2012 21:21


Have you looked under "search" at the top right of the screen and then pick off "search all trees"? If you do that and enter any of the names you mention you can see if anyone on here has any of these people in their tree and you can then send them a private message directly.

Kath. x


brummiejan Report 27 Oct 2012 21:59

So - these would be Mary Nicol Tait's nieces? Children of her brother (s) if born Tait.
If you have no luck finding matches on here, you need to check out who her brothers were.


patchem Report 27 Oct 2012 22:01

Is this your Mother's parents' marriage, as slightly different names used?:
Marriages Mar 1921
Rudge Harry C Tait Newcastle T. 10b 195
Tait Mary Rudge Newcastle T. 10b 195


brummiejan Report 27 Oct 2012 22:02

I wonder where the Nicol came from?

Marriages Mar 1921
Rudge Harry C Tait Newcastle T. 10b 195
Tait Mary Rudge Newcastle T. 10b 195


patchem Report 27 Oct 2012 22:45

Were either of your Mother's parents born in Newcastle?
Mary N Rudge
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1945
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 612

Horace Charles Rudge
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 0363

Why did they marry in Newcastle?
Births Mar 1897
Rudge Horace Charles Edmonton 3a 502


patchem Report 27 Oct 2012 22:58

Helpful thread:

from another grandson.

But if correct there were no brothers for Mary.
So single Mother births for Winnie and Margaret?

Births Jun 1912
Tait Winifred Tait Newcastle T. 10b 344

There is a Margaret birth in Newcastle in 1924, but others elsewhere also.

3 people on here have Winifred Tait, 1912, Newcastle, in their trees.


Reggie Report 27 Oct 2012 23:58

Try doing some research on freebmd..............if you wish to trace people, you need accurate info....not what you 'believe'................which may not be correct


Reggie Report 28 Oct 2012 00:01

1911 England Census

Name: Horace Charles Rudge
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Enfield
Civil parish: Enfield
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Uckfield Road, Enfield Wash, Middx
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Milk Boy
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 7437
Household Members:
Name Age
George Rudge 50
Florence Louisa Rudge 45
Florence Hester Rudge 23
George Burton Rudge 22
Albert Edward Rudge 20
Hilda Mary Rudge 18
John Rudge 16
Horace Charles Rudge 14
Alice May Rudge 11
Leonard Baden Rudge 9
Nellie Rudge 7
Herbert Rudge 5
Phillip Rudge 3
Vera Rudge 1
Clarence Jones 2


Reggie Report 28 Oct 2012 00:03

1911 England Census

Name: Mary N Tait
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ncle Upon Tyne
Civil parish: Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Pitt St Newcastle
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: At School
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 30625
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Young 47
Elizabeth Jane Young 38
Michael Young 13
Phillis Hodgkisson 12
Mary Elizabeth Young 6
David Young 5
Florrence Young 2
Elizabeth Young 1
James Tait 49
Mary N Tait 11
Margaret Tait 8
Isabella Tait 17
Sarah Timpson 65

Roy Herbert

Roy Herbert Report 28 Oct 2012 11:00

First of all thanks for all the feedback.

My grandad Horace Charles Rudge was born in London feb 7. 1897 and my grandmother Mary Nicol Tait in Dumfriesshire, Scotland nov 22 1899. They where married january 12. 1921 in Newcastle. Horace was registered as Harry Charles Rudge. Why they married in Newcastle I do not know, but my grandad was wounded in the WWI by Marne in France and came to Edinburgh
where he met Mary, and perhaps then moved down to Newcastle.

From the 1911 census I find Mary Nicol her father James who is a vidower at that time and Marys two sisters Margaret b. 1903 and Isabell b. 1894. There was also a sister by the name Jane.

Isabell died young. The living relatives in Newcastle Margaret and Winnie I do not know if their mother was Margaret or Jane. When it comes to Margaret and Winnie I have their surnames after marriage and I also have an old adress to them both. I have been searching for and trying to find a new adress, but so far no luck. I guess I can`t put their surnames on this board for privacy reasons.


patchem Report 28 Oct 2012 11:37

The 1911 census that Reggie posted (which is also on the other thread that I gave the link to) says that Mary N was born in Newcastle. In fact all the family claim to be born in Newcastle - so why do you believe this is your Mary?


patchem Report 28 Oct 2012 11:51

Copied over from that linked thread the 1911 family in 1901.
This one claims father born in Scotland, but not the rest of the family:
TAIT, James Head Married M 38 1863 Skinner Scotland
TAIT, Agnes Wife Married F 28 1873 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
TAIT, Jane A Daughter F 8 1893 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
TAIT, Isabella Daughter F 7 1894 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
TAIT, Mary Daughter F 1 1900 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland

RG number: RG13 Piece: 4766 Folio: 109 Page: 39
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Westgate Enumeration District: 4 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Philip Civil Parish: Westgate Municipal Borough: Address: 24, Pitt Street, Westgate County: Northumberland


patchem Report 28 Oct 2012 12:00

1891 England Census
James Tait Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes Tait
Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Town: Newcastle upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Piece: 4205 Folio: 55 Page Number: 57
James Tait 27
Agnes Tait 19
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4205; Folio: 55; Page: 57; GSU roll: 6099315.

Do you know the author of that linked thread?


patchem Report 28 Oct 2012 12:05

If Winnie was born in 1912 it is quite likely she has since died.
Her birth certificate will give an exact date of birth and who is her Mother.
As there are several possible births for Margaret, and a variety of marriages for both, you must have obtained marriage information from others. What other leads have they given you?
Yes, you can put their new surnames on here, just leave off the precise marriage details, just put place and year.

Roy Herbert

Roy Herbert Report 28 Oct 2012 16:16

The author of the linked thread is my cousin Stefan. His mother was my aunt Ellen (Nellie) Rudge. He has also been searching for relatives of us living or lived in Newcastle.

Winnie married Bruce and Margaret married Gross. I have no information of when they married.


patchem Report 28 Oct 2012 16:54

You can look for marriages on free bmd:

Unfortunately I cannot see either of those marriages. Do you know the area?
Is Bruce the surname?
Where did the information come from?

Roy Herbert

Roy Herbert Report 29 Oct 2012 08:35

The information came from my mum. After she passed away I found the names and adr. in her notebook, but she did also tell me of her cousins in Newcastle.

Gross is the surname Margaret had after marriage and Winnie married to someone with the surname Bruce. I could put the old addresses on here if it is OK to do so.

I have had a closer look into albums from my mum and i find a photo of a young man and where she has written on the back of the photo "My cousin Horace Tait living in Newcastle". When I think of it I do remember her telling of him. I am pretty sure that he was Margaret and Winnies brother.


patchem Report 29 Oct 2012 18:37

There are very few Horace Tait births.
There is this birth in free bmd:
Births Jun 1920
Tait Horace J A Tait Leicester 7a 521
and subsequent death:
Horace James A Tait
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1920
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1972
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Huntingdon
Inferred County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 958
so nothing to do with Newcastle.

You could apply for the certificate for Winifred, as you have no proof that she is related.

There is this marriage, with some details removed for privacy:
Marriages Mar 1950
Tait Horace C Ord Newcastle T.
which is more promising, but I cannot see any birth for Horace C.

Horace C appears to be on in Newcastle.
Worth applying to see address?


Reggie Report 30 Oct 2012 09:46

You are, it seems, making a lot of guesses............

You don't appear to have done any research..............try using freebmd

Horace 'living' in Newcastle does not mean that he was born there

The old addresses are not necessary..........just the name of the town/village.and the approx. year when they were applicable