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VIOLET ALICE LOUISE JEZARD

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Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 6 Nov 2012 00:36

Looking for living relatives please:

Violet Alice L Jezard
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 146

Thank you

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 6 Nov 2012 03:11

Can you explain who her parents were and whether you have found her in census records?

Are you asking because you've been unable to find a trace of her since?

Rose

Penny

Penny Report 6 Nov 2012 05:50

born 1890. unikely to be alive.

so what mored o you know of her?

Penny

Penny Report 6 Nov 2012 05:54

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313542

patchem

patchem Report 6 Nov 2012 07:11

I hope you have carefully saved all the information from the threads that you have deleted.

Reggie

Reggie Report 6 Nov 2012 10:27

Deleting threads to which people have devoted time and effort in helping you is not the way to behave, and will mean that members are unwilling to try to help you again

Reggie

Reggie Report 6 Nov 2012 10:33

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Violet Alice Louise Jezard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1896
Father's Name: George Jezard
Mother's name: May Jezard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St Philip
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 6 Nov 2012 16:32

Reggie and Patchem

Please note GR deleted the first duplicate thread on Find Living Relatives without warning as it had been reported as a duplicate thread, so I asked if that thread could be reinstated to move over posts to Finding Ancestors - and unfortunately no.

So the same didn't happen to the other duplicate thread on Find Living Relatives I moved across any research to the Finding Ancestors threads and then deleted the second Find Living Ancestors thread so that further posts would not entered and then again deleted without warning.

While I appreciate your research it is a learning curve using a new system.

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 6 Nov 2012 16:55

Hello Penny
Thank you for your post.

All we know about Violet are her:

BAPTISM DETAILS
NAME: Violet Alice Louise Jezard
MOTHER: May Jezard
FATHER: George Jezard
BIRTH: Kensington St Philip
BAPTISM: 12 July 1896 - Kensington St Philip

1901 CENSUS DETAILS
Violet A L Gezard [Violet A L Jezard]
BIRTH: abt 1892 - Earls Court, London, England
RESIDENCE: 1901 - Prittlewell, Essex, England

Horace Courtenay is also staying at the boarding school and is related to Violet (but we don't know how). Horace never mentioned Violet during his lifetime (Horace died in 1959) and Horace's son Michael doesn't know of a Violet in the family. We are really trying to trace these families for Michael as he believes he is from a virtually extinct family - would be good to find any of his family for him.

After that there is no trace of Violet?

We are currently waiting for Violet's birth certificate to arrive to see if any further information comes to light as the Thrasher/Jezard/Courtenay family are related.

Thank you
Lorraine

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 6 Nov 2012 16:58

Hello Rose
Thank you for your post.

Please see above post (parents details and census details).

After that she disappears!

Thank you for your help.
Lorraine

Penny

Penny Report 6 Nov 2012 17:39

How do you know that Horace & Violet are related if you dont know how they are related?

1901 - they are both boarders, no suggestion that they are related

Name: Agnes Shepherd
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Prittlewell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Prittlewell
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Piece: 1680
Folio: 91
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Shepherd 63
Agnes C G H Shepherd 29
Elizabeth Shepherd 28
Joseph H Shepherd 25
Louise Heerst 17
Kate Chambers 16
Elizabeth J Fisher 16
Mary Fisher 14
Maud M Cardwell 15
Dorothy B Roulston 14
Constance E Roulston 13
Margaret Calderbank 15
Constance Ward 14
Violet A L Gezard 9
Horace Courtenay 7
Florence M Valentine 16

just at a school at which they appear to board


Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 6 Nov 2012 17:55

Hello Penny

(Edward) Leslie Court is Horace Courtenay's cousin (we have Edward Leslie Court's birth certificate and Edward's mother's maiden name is Ruth Jezard - Ruth and Grace are sisters). We don't know at this stage which relation George Jezard is to Ruth Jezard.

Ruth Jezard married as a spinster as Jezard
Ruth's birth maiden name is actually Thrasher - her mother Priscilla remarried from Thrasher to Jezard

Grace Courtenay married as a spinster as Courtenay (she has an illegitimate son called Horace Courtenay)
Grace's birth maiden name is actually Thrasher
Grace may have used Jezard - her mother Priscilla remarried from Thrasher to Jezard

1911 CENSUS
Name: Leslie Court
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Fulham, London, England
Civil parish: Kew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Bushwood Road, Kew
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 41
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 3603

1911 CENSUS
Name: Horace Courtenay
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Step Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Earls Court, London, England
Civil parish: Kew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Bushwood Road, Kew
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Clerk Stock Broker
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 41
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 3603

1911 CENSUS
Name: Grace Solomon
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Holborn, London, England
Civil parish: Kew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Bushwood Road, Kew
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 41
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 3603

Thank you
Lorraine

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 6 Nov 2012 17:58

You say the Thrasher family are connected to the Jezard's

On the same day that Violet was baptised the next entry is for Horace son of Percy & Louisa Thresher/Thrasher and BOTH families lived at 133 Finsboro Road Percy is listed as a C Clerk and George Jezard is listed as steward on P & O.

Looks like it was a joint christening.

Cant see May or George on any census or a marriage for them


Name: Horace Thresher
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1896
Father's Name: Percy Thresher
Mother's name: Louisa Thresher
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St Philip
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

the actual road is Finsborough the vicar has abbreviated it

-------------------------
Births Mar 1893
Thrasher Horace Fulham 1a 318

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 6 Nov 2012 18:11

133 Finsborough road isnt listed in 1901.tried an address search

patchem

patchem Report 6 Nov 2012 18:18

Shirley and Penny and Rose,
You are repeating information that has already been found on one or another of the posts.
Suggest you look at whatever Lorraine has moved over to another query.

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 7 Nov 2012 00:20

Hello Shirley

The road is Finborough Road.

Yes we've looked too for George and May's wedding and on any censuses - also without success.

These families - Thrashers/Threshers/Atkins & Jezards & Courtenays have a habit of changing their names!

See what Violet's birth certificate will bring - it's on order and should be here soon.

Thanks
Lorraine

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 17 Nov 2012 12:12

The General Register Office has not been able to process our request for Violet's birth certificate, as the parents we quoted (George Jezard and May Jezard from Violet's baptism were incorrect), so we are going to resubmit the request without the parent check this time. We have tried to find George and May in various official records but to no avail - as George was a P&O steward a very plausible suggestion is that they were out of the country when they got married and that is why they are not listed on various official records. However, they could also be 'false' parents.

As we already know that the baby baptised after Violet at St Phillip's Church, Earls Court, Kensington, Horace Thresher his baptism parents Percy Thresher and Louisa Thresher are not married (they get married in 1905) and are actually called Percy Atkins and Louisa Thrasher, we will also order Horace Thrasher's birth certificate without a parent check.

In the 1911 census Percy Atkins and Louisa Atkins although technically accurate, do not mention that they have a child of their marriage or have lost a child of their marriage - however, they still do not mention Horace Thrasher/Thresher's birth at all and no Horace is living with them or can be found living elsewhere in the 1911 census.