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Henry Briard Brown

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Unknown

Unknown Report 26 Mar 2013 12:24

Born Lancaster 1917 married Margaret ( Betty) Bennetts Jan 1944 in Barrow-in Furness. Would any person having information about Henry (Harry) Brown please contact

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 12:41

Two points

1) Personal e-mail addresses are not allowed on the boards - please remove yours.

2) Have you tried doing any research yourself?

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 12:49

I know it's corny, but..........

When did you last see your father?

And/or your mother?

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 12:51

There is NO birth on freebmd or LancsBMD to match the info you give...........

Do you know the names of your paternal grandparents?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Mar 2013 13:47

have you got their marriage cert ?

Name: Margaret Bennetts
Spouse Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 1397
Find Spouse: Henry B Brown

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Mar 2013 13:53

maybe born at the end of 1917 ??

Name: Henry Brown
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wilson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 836


only because of the district !!

Name: George Brown
Spouse Surname: Wilson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 1406

spouse Annie Wilson

Unknown

Unknown Report 26 Mar 2013 21:00

Reggie,
Yes i have done research and using the information from the marriage certificate and the 1911 Household Census I have located his birth details, and have tracked his antecedants back for 4 generations. My focus now is to piece together his life from 1944 to the present. I have also tracked back his mothers history to 2 generations. When did I last "see' him probably 1946? no clear memory

Shirley- Yes the first record is correct. Vol 8e page 836. Yes I have their marriage cert.

jax

jax Report 26 Mar 2013 21:07

If you have his birth cert have you looked for a death for him using his date of birth?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Mar 2013 10:08

Other than looking for children of the marriage and buying their birth certs to see the current address for each a the time , I cant think that anywhere online will you find iinfo of them from their marriage to their deaths.

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Mar 2013 10:15

Howard (the poster of this thread) was the only child of the marriage...........he is looking for his father's 'life' since 1946

patchem

patchem Report 27 Mar 2013 11:21

The birth that Shirley posted did not have a middle name, are we trying to find a death as Henry B or just Henry?
Could we have his date of birth, please?
Do you know about any of his siblings?
Thanks

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Mar 2013 12:44

As yet I have requested a copy of his birth certificate. I am waiting for a response to a story in the North West Evening Mail 21/03/13 seeking any information on Henry Brown. Here are the details I have. From a copy of the marriage certificate he is listed as Henry Briard Brown aged 27 ( in 1944) so his birth year would be 1917/18. His father was a John Brown described as French Polisher living in Barrow In Furness Lancs. One of the witness' was a Thomas Brown. The 1911 census provided John Brown French Polisher aged 27. His wife was Mary Brown married 2 years They have a child Annie Wilson Brown aged 2 I searched BMD for Thomas Brown with mothers maiden name of Wilson in Barrow in Furness. Thomas was born 1915 ref 8e vol 1103 I then searched BMD for Henry Brown mothers maiden name Wilson and found Henry ( no middle name) born 1918 ref 8e vol 836 He is showing as been born in Lancaster- a bit of an anomoly but the maiden name is right, the age is right so I think it is him. I confirmed that Mary Wilson married John Brown. If the story does not produce any results then I will order a copy of his birth certificate. With the exception of Henry all addresses are in Barrow In Furness.
Hope this helps

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Mar 2013 20:40

Sorry please read as I have not yet ordered a birth certificate.

patchem

patchem Report 27 Mar 2013 21:39

Does your research backwards give any clue as to where the 'Briard' comes from?

We can use the exact date of birth to search for his death - assuming the informant did know it accurately.

Just a point, if he was 27 in 1944, and that was accurate, then his date of birth is 1916/1917.
If he was born in 1918 (Sep quarter) and married at the beginning of 1944 he would be 25, not 27.

Unknown

Unknown Report 28 Mar 2013 02:43

From what I can see Briard is a predominately Jersey name I searched for him as Briard Brown, Briard but no success. I noticed in the 1911 census his sister was called Annie Wilson Brown. I made a guess that Wilson was her mothers maiden name. When I searched for a marriage between Wilson and Brown round about 1909 +or- there was only one combination. I traced Mary Wilson tree back a couple of generations and no trace of Briard there. If keeping the maiden name and married name in common ie Wilson Brown, is a trend then you would think there would be a Briard somewhere. I went back to 1881 census- Household record no trace. What puzzles me is that the whole Wilson Brown family history around that timeis in Barrow- earlier generations, from Suffolk Devon.

Unknown

Unknown Report 28 Mar 2013 02:44

ps so why do I have a Henry ( my father) being born in Lancaster?

patchem

patchem Report 28 Mar 2013 07:06

You have not got the birth certificate. You do not know it is him. (Though the french polisher seems fairly conclusive for census) It was wartime, strange things happen. Were his wife's parents living there?

You said that you searched for a marriage between Wilson and Brown around 1909.
The only one I can see is this one which is nowhere near Barrow, and you would not know that Wilson married Brown, or did you find another?
Marriages Jun 1908
BROWN John Edmonton 3a 1065
Souter Walter Edmonton 3a 1065
Taylor Elizabeth Mary A Edmonton 3a 1065
Wilson Mary Elizabeth Edmonton 3a 1065

Added:
Thanks, Rose.
Ignore that marriage.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 28 Mar 2013 07:18

Patchem,

FreeBMD has Mary incorrectly transcribed with Volume 8C .

Marriages Sep 1908
BROWN John Barrow F. 8e 1789
WILSON Mary Barrow F. 8e 1789

Rose

patchem

patchem Report 28 Mar 2013 07:20

If you are wondering why they moved around the country, you need to start investigating migrations of workers to find jobs etc
Presumably this is them:
1901 England Census
John Brown
Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Brown Mother's name: Emma Brown
Gender: Male Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Barrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Barrow in Furness Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 240 Piece: 4013 Folio: 28 Page Number: 48
James Brown 64 labourer steel works Wrantham Suffolk
Emma Brown 57 Hemingfield Yorkshire
William Brown 36 Yorks
Leonard Brown 27 Barrow, Lancs
John Brown 17
Henry Brown 12 grnson
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4013; Folio: 28; Page: 48.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 28 Mar 2013 07:24

If these are siblings, then Henry was born very soon after James:

Births Dec 1915
BROWN Thomas Wilson Barrow F. 8e 1103

Births Sep 1917
Brown James Wilson Barrow F 8e 1003

Rose