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Jim didn't react to that info on July 9th.....................

Jim there,s two others on genes who have Levi in their tree have you contacted them through Search Trees ?

George is on this site and on Facebook. His sister Eunice is on here and also on Facebook.

Rose

He may not have been reg as Gill or Gilbert

This may be a possible as its after Levi left


Name: George A Bates
Mother's Maiden Surname: Oldfield
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Registration District: Manchester North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 611

This MAY be Ella's death........it's the only one which fits (unless she married again)

Death
Name: BATES, Ella
Registration district: South Hams
County: Devon
Year of registration: 2004
Month of registration: January
Date of Birth:5 January 1908
District no: 4171
Reg no: 12
Ent no: 002
DOR: 104

It would be worth investing £9.25 in the cert.........................for the informant's details

Have you looked in 'search all trees' yet?

Please tell us exactly how the death notice was worded

Jax's 'working out' was based on what you said about the man........born in 1953.......and, I would think, was more of an expression of surprise that he would be married with two children by the time he was 19

Presumably, you guessed his birth year from when your father re-married......................an assumption which may prove false, as Ella had been using his name prior to their marriage.

IF Levi was his father, he could have been born at any time from when your father left your mother

If, as is probable, this is Ella's birth, would she be likely to be giving birth in 1953?

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Oldfield Ella Chorlton 8c 820

Its possible that Gill was born before they married as the marriage records shows Ella's names as Bates / Oldfield/ Gordon

Would seem Levi and Ella had lived together .

Jim,

Was Gil the only one mentioned or where there others? I ask because there are 7 Bates/Oldfield births in Manchester.

Rose

Hi,
Re:- Gil Bates, perhaps I said it wrong when I called him my stepbrother and not my half brother. My mother Eva married Levi 12.12.1933 and parted just before I was born. Mum brought me up on her own and they got a divorce in 1950 so he could remarry. Levi was born 20.3.1907 and died 28. 12.1972 at Manchester Royal Hospital the death was reported by Ella Bates. Just before then Levi was a club steward at Longsight Cricket Club Manchester.
Thank you to Jax for working out Gil was 19 and married in 72. Gil was listed in the funeral notice as Gil, as to if he was Christen Gilbert or not I do not know.
Jim

We can but try................!

I did PM Jim a few days ago asking him to return but the message is unread.

Rose

Between 1968 and 1972, there were 15 marriages for surname Bates to forename Eileen.......................

.........none was for a man with a forename even remotely close to 'Gil'

Of course, he didn't have to have been married to 'Eileen' to have fathered children with her

Levi is in two trees on here other than Jim's

Thanks, Rose


So that means he is/was a half-brother.........not step.......if Levi was 'Gil's' father.

Presumably, Jim lived with his mother............................which would explain part of the original post

For Gil to be his step-brother, he would have had to be Ella's child only...............and there are no births to support that idea (as per my earlier post)

But.....................

..........until - and unless - Jim returns with clarification, we're stuck.

Can you explain how Gill would be a stepbrother?

COuld he had 2 children in 1972 if only born in the 1950's?

Reggie,

Jim appears to be the son of Levi and Eva.

Rose

Possible 1951 birth pm'd to Jim

Father's death?
Levi Bates
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1907
Date of Registration: Dec 1972
Age at Death: 65
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 586

Death

Name: BATES, Levi
Registration district: Manchester
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1972
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of Birth:20 March 1907
Volume no: 10E
Page no: 586

Was he married before he married Ella?

Marriages Dec 1933 (>99%)
Bates Levi Danks Ashton 8d 1600
Dunks Eva Bates Ashton 8d 1600

No children....................