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I am 72 years old and still searching for my father Jack Henry Sans a gunner in the Royal Artillery army number 1711289. This is all the information I have from my birth certificate. I do not know if he is alive or dead. The Ministry of Defence will not release any information to me unless I produce a death certificate. If I had that I wouldn't need them. He has a very unusual surname Sans without a D. This seems to have made the search even harder as I can find no record in births marriage or death lists. Did he exist I ask myself. Any advice or help would be much appreciated.

Welcome to the boards,

Can you give where you were born please, it would just give us some idea of what areas to look for Jack.
:-)

there are no births with the name jack sans

this could be him name mispelt


Jack H Sands
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name Jack H Sands
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1912
Registration District Cranbrook
County Kent
Event Place Cranbrook, Kent, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3) Ruck
Volume 2A
Page 1739
Line Number 145

There are 7 potential siblings to that Jack all born Cranbrook, I'm not as yet seeing any further records for Jack not in England or Wales anyway.

Name John Sans
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County London
Parish Poplar Borough
Sub-District Bromley
Registration District Poplar
Gender Male
Age 2
Birthplace Stratford London, Essex
Record Type Household

Just clicked to send a message and wonder as the full name shows, if Sans is correct after all as it is given as surname and the OP 'may ' have been born 1943...for which there is an entry on Freebmd in both names, Sans and mmn.

Will advise OP to return to thread :-)

Name John W Sans
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1930
Registration District Stepney
County London
Event Place Stepney, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3) Masson
Volume 1C
Page 307
Line Number 121

Name John George Sans
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1970
Registration District Stepney
County London
Event Place Stepney, London, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 26 Apr 1908
Volume 5E
Page 327
Line Number 83

is Bristol the location?

Edited out info I posted as found it to be positively eliminated.

Don't forget that if the OP was born during WW2 then the place of birth may have no relevance, as mothers to be were often sent away to safety for the births.

The OP has also posted on this old thread : http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/414483

so Bristol is confirmed to be the location

pointless sharing tree Barbara, we have no connection :-)

No wonder you are having trouble Barbara his name wasnt ---------Jack--------


3 **G** H Sans 1711289 Gunner 1941 Royal Artillery,

Looks like it could be George?the service numbers are a match,

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/4980/royal-artillery/
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Edit,,,Here is the RA prayer.
The Royal Artillery Prayer

O Lord Jesus Christ,

Who dost everywhere lead thy people in the way of righteousness,

Vouchsafe so as to lead the Royal Regiment of Artillery,

That wherever we serve, on land or sea or in the air,

We may win the glory of doing thy will

Amen

well done Kay , where did you find it?

edit ah I see lol

? Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Sans George H Poplar 1c 506

poss marriage 1936

died 1952 Poplar

Name: George H Sans
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1952
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 308

George H Sans
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
birth: 1911
death: 1952 Poplar, London, England.

---------------------------------------------------George H Sans
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
marriage registration: 1936 Poplar, London, England
spouse: Grimmett
other: Lily G Grimme-


If the right man has been found then applying for his death certificate will help in access to his service records...........

Probate to wife Lily 1952.

Name: George Henry Sans
Probate Date: 2 Dec 1952
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 2 Nov 1952
Death Place: London, England

I will let Barbara know how to return,she is a new poster.

???

Parents had been married 16 years, 8 children born, all still living at time of census 1911.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

22 Hawgood St Bromley, Poplar Borough, London, England

Household Members

William Benjamin Sans Head Married Male Labourer Dock 39 1872 Woolwich Kent
Susana Sans Wife Married Female None 39 1872 Bermondsey London
Thomas Sans Son - Male - 13 1898 Stepney London
Isabella Sans Daughter - Female - 11 1900 Stepney or Mile End London
William Sans Son - Male - 9 1902 Mile End London
Charles Sans Son - Male - 7 1904 Mile End London
Albert Sans Son - Male - 5 1906 Mile End London
John Sans Son - Male - 2 1909 Stratford Essex London
George Sans Son - Male - 0 1911 Bromley by Bow London<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<