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Albert, Rose and children in 1921 - in Strathcona - so the travel record I posted on page 1 is possibly correct, showing John going to his uncle in 1912, but travelling alone.

(Charles Johnson is an unrelated red herring.)

Albert Manning
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Albert Manning
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose Manning
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1910
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Alberta
District: Strathcona
District Number: 11
Sub-district: Edmonton (City)
Sub-District Number: 42
City, Town or Village: City of Edmonton
Section Number: 101 39 81 Ave
Occupation: Bricklayer
Income: 1200
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Manning 39
Rose Manning 39
Alberta Manning 5
Rupert A Manning 4


However, Albert's a bricklayer, not a farmer, so maybe John went to a different uncle to start with ?? Or maybe Albert changed his occupation.

new info has come to light, john hector was raised by his aunt and uncle, his mothers sister Rosa and her husband Albert Manning, still do not know why?

Re NOK -

Perhaps he gave the wrong year for his birth in order to claim to be 18? He was really only 16 when he joined up.

Perhaps he didn't want his parents to know he was doing that? Or maybe they had refused to allow it, so he'd asked his brother instead?

Perhaps he'd fallen out with his parents, or was getting into trouble, so they'd decided to send him to Canada for a fresh start?

Re Ivor going to and returning from Canada - can't see any travel record for either journey. Not so far, at least.

Hi , there is a lot of confusing info here, John Hector was born in 1899 at wellington somerset, Harold was his brother but why not either mother Eliza or father as nok, his father(John Henry) was in the marines when he met Eliza. My mother told me that Eliza took Jack(John Hector) and Ivor to Canada and came back with only Ivor? The family story relates to Eliza leaving him with her brother for some reason.

John Hector with inaccurate details - although transcription is correct compared with image:


John Henry Johnson
in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
Name: John Henry Johnson
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1897
Birth Location: Willington, Somerest, England
Relative (NOK): Mr H Johnson
Regiment Number: 437117

NOK's address: 12 Deer Park, Newton Abbott, Devon [as in 1911 census].

John's occupation is plumber, and he's not married.
Height 5' 8"; red complexion, grey eyes, dark brown hair.
Denomination: Church of England.

Signed up to Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force, 7th May 1915, in Edmonton, Alberta.

What were the surnames of uncle James and step-uncle Jesse?

I wondered if Henry Charles could be a cousin of John H, but John's father was born Broad Oak, Kent, according to the 1911 census, and Henry Charles's father was born Ipswich, so not likely to be brothers.

If the John H in the travel record is John Hector, I suppose it's possible that he wasn't travelling with Henry Charles, and they may have been two unrelated Johnsons who just happened to be on the same ship.

Or maybe John H is not John Hector!

Here's Henry Charles in 1911.


Henry Charles Johnson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Henry Charles Johnson
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stoke Devonport
Civil Parish: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 9 Eton Avenue, Plymouth
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: stone Cutter
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration District Number: 276
Sub-registration district: Plymouth South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 595
Piece: 12995
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Charles Johnson 42
Ellen Thomas Johnson 45
Henry Charles Johnson 19
Frederick Ralph Johnson 17
Reginald Albert Johnson 6
William Johnson 20

Here's the same pair of travellers, from the Canadian records:

John H Johnson
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: John H Johnson
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1901
Date of Arrival: 1 May 1912
Vessel: Sicilian
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England


This time Charles is listed as Henry C, single.
Beside John's name it says "to uncle farmer with [what looks like] P19 L 17 "

They're going to different destinations - Henry Charles to Ottawa, Ont., and John to Strathcona, Alberta.
Maybe unrelated travellers after all.

There's no likely travel record for 1911 that I can see, but several possibilities for years around that, with birth years approx. 1899.


Maybe ???

Jno H Johnson
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Jno H Johnson
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birth Date: abt 1901
Departure Date: 19 Apr 1912
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Sicilian
Shipping line: Allan Line
Official Number: 111225
Master: A J Peters

Probably travelling with a Charles Johnson, stone-cutter, aged 20.

If he emigrated in 1911, it must have been after the UK census:


John Hector Johnson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Hector Johnson
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wellington, Somerset
Civil Parish: Wolborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 12 Deer Park Road, Newton Abbot, Devon
Occupation: school
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Registration District Number: 272
Sub-registration district: Newton Abbot
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 12757
Household Members:
Name Age
John Henry Johnson 35
Ella Johnson 35
John Hector Johnson 12
Harold Johnson 5
Ivor Johnson 2

Hi thanks to you all that has been a great help. I still do not know why my great grandmother left him in canada, she came home with just my grandfather. there is a family story that needs verification, that he was left with his uncle james or step uncle jesse. I hope to find some relatives who can shed some light.
Thanks again

Possibly John in 1921. Says he emigrated 1911. He would have only been 12, did he emigrate with parents?

John Johnson

in the 1921 Census of Canada
View 1921 Census of Canada

Name: John Johnson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1911
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Wentworth
District Number: 141
Sub-district: Hamilton (City)
Sub-District Number: 49
City, Town or Village: Hamilton City
Street or Township: 68 Rosemont Ave
Municipality: Hamilton
Occupation: Electrician
Income: 800
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Richards 42
Ada Richards 45
Alfred Richards 19
John Johnson 22

Alice in 1921. Parents and older brother born England, emigrated 1905, Alice born Quebec, others Ontario.

Alice Hahn

in the 1921 Census of Canada
View 1921 Census of Canada

Name: Alice Hahn
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1906
Birth Place: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: William Hahn
Father Birth Place: England
Mother's name: Alice Hahn
Mother Birth Place: England
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Wentworth
District Number: 141
Sub-district: Hamilton (City)
Sub-District Number: 58
City, Town or Village: Hamilton City
Street or Township: 255 Brooklyn Ave
Municipality: Ward 8
Occupation: Shipping Clerk
Income: 400
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hahn 42
Alice Hahn 40
William Hahn 17
Alice Hahn 15
Ernest Hahn 10
Ethel Hahn 7

i think tis is a different one

in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: John Hector Johnson
Occupation: Mechanic
Year: 1949
Location: Churchill, Manitoba, Canada
Electoral District: Churchill

living with Phylis Mae Johnson
he is a mechanic

Phyllis Mae Johnson

in the British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990 No Image
Name: Phyllis Mae Johnson
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1920
Death Age: 62
Death Date: 6 Aug 1982
Death Location: Smithers
Registration Number: 1982-09-013130
BCA Number: B13622
GSU Number: 2051743

Phyllis Mae Johnson
Event Type Death
Event Date 06 Aug 1982
Event Place Smithers, British Columbia, Canada
Gender Female
Age 62
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 12 Mar 1920
Birth Year (Estimated) 1920
Birthplace Duncan, British Columbia
Father's Name Earl Ross Weismiller
Mother's Name Violet Roberts
Spouse's Name Milton Sills Johnson

Possibly
Alice Amelia Hahn
Event: Baptême (Baptism)
Baptism Year: 1906
Baptism Location: Farnham, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Methodist Church

Daughter of William George Hahn and Alice Amelia Phillips

Born Dec 17th 1905

Alice Amelia Johnson
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1905
Death Date: 11 Nov 1996
Cemetery: Saint Andrew's Presbyterian Church Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Markham, York Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: John Hector Johnson
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

Alice Amelia Johnson
Birth Date: 1905
Age at Death: 91
Death Date: 1996
Cemetery: Elmwood United Church Cemetery
Burial Place: Markham, York County, Ontario, Canada
URL: http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/...

Alice Amelia was born 1905 and died 1996

http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/ONYOR14783?page=2&PHPSESSID=9c9e9fe829961ba40108085c37792468

John Hector Johnson
Birth Date: 1899
Age at Death: 66
Death Date: 1965
Cemetery: Elmwood United Church Cemetery
Burial Place: Markham, York County, Ontario, Canada


Elmwood United Church Cemetery
Street Address: Hwy 7
Community: Markham
Township: Markham Township (Concession 8, Lot 11)
Locality: York County
Municipality: Markham
Province: ON
GPS: 43.876393,-79.253282
Church / Denomination: Methodist, now United
Maintained by* St. Andrew's United Church. Still in use. Established about 1860

The findagrave entry says Alice's maiden surname was Hahn - presumably they married after John moved to Canada.

The gravestone is hard to read, but shows daughters Viola Hepworth, Irene [surname obscured], and D Jacqueline Jo . . . . [presumably Johnson].

John Hector Johnson
in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914
Name: John Hector Johnson
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1899
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1899
Baptism Place: Wellington, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Wellington
Father: John Henry Johnson
Mother: Eliza Johnson