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Looking to find my nanas birth family

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Lucy

Lucy Report 25 May 2017 08:54

Hi, not 100% sure if I am posting this in the right place but here goes,
My Nana was born 'Dawn Procter' 22/09/1941 in Morecambe in Lancashire I have just recently received a copy of her birth certificate showing her Mother was 'Blanche Procter' and her Grandmother 'Martha Procter who both live in Congleton in Cheshire.
I have done numerous searches and have found people who I believe are her 'grandfather, uncle, cousin etc. but no immediate siblings in fact I cant find much about her mother 'blanche' at all and have come to a bit of a dead end. the only record I can find is a blanche Procter marrying a Jack Marley in Lancaster in 1965 but nothing in-between?
I have messaged a few people with these people on their trees but haven't had much response does anyone know where I would go from here??
Thanks in advance
Lucie (David's daughter)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 10:24

The only birth that comes up on freebmd from 1900-1930

Births Sep 1903
Proctor Blanche May Barton I. 8c 649

Nope that one passed away as a baby

First name(s) BLANCHE MAY
Last name PROCTOR
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1903
Age 0
Death quarter 3
Death year 1903
District Barton upon Irwell
County Lancashire
Volume 8C
Page 394
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

Edit wrong spelling of surname

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 10:33

Who are the others you have found that could be related

Does the birth cert give any address for Blanche or Martha


Could this be connected

Procter Household (3 People)
6 Park View , Congleton M.B., Cheshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Martha Procter 12 Feb 1882 Unpaid Domestic Duties
William A Procter 22 Jul 1916 Motor Mechanic
Wallis B Coleman 27 Oct 1914 Chartered Accountant
Ref: RG101/3998H/013/10 Letter Code: LENH
© Findmypast Ltd

No closed records so no Blanche living with her

malyon

malyon Report 25 May 2017 11:17

Births Mar 1913   (>99%)

Procter
 Bertha
 Procter
 Burnley
 8e
328

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 11:33

But would that 1913 birth be old enough to have a daughter who then gave birth in 1941,???


Wonder about this birth
Births Sep 1921
Procter Blanche Yates Congleton 8a 488


Edit looks very much like them

Marriages Mar 1913
Procter Robert Yates Congleton 8a 523
Yates Martha Procter Congleton 8a 523

Lucy

Lucy Report 25 May 2017 11:34

Thanks for your replies!
Yes on the birth certificate it shows Martha and Blanche living at 6 park view Congleton. Don't know what this means though? maybe she stayed in Lancashire after giving birth.
the other people I have found
are 'Robert Procter' - blanches grandfather
William a Procter - her brother?
who I've then found married Gladys Wilson in Macclesfield and had a son Robert w procter.

malyon

malyon Report 25 May 2017 11:36

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Martha Procter
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name
Martha Procter
Event Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Congleton, Cheshire, England
County
Cheshire
Civil Parish
Congleton
Ecclesiastical Parish
St Peter
Sub-District
Congleton
Registration District
Congleton
Residence Note
Royle Street
Gender
Female
Age
8
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1893
Birthplace
Congleton, Cheshire
Schedule Type
188
Page Number
29
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Procter
Head
M
35
Congleton, Cheshire
Ellen Procter
Wife
F
39
Macclesfield, Cheshire
Margaret A Procter
Daughter
F
15
Congleton, Cheshire
Ellen Procter
Daughter
F
12
Macclesfield, Cheshire
Caroline Procter
Daughter
F
10
Macclesfield, Cheshire
Martha Procter
Daughter
F
8
Congleton, Cheshire
William Procter
Son
M
4
Congleton, Cheshire
Daniel Procter
Son
M
2
Congleton, Cheshire

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 11:40

Well that's the address in 1939 so looks to be grandma and brother

Have posted the marriage of her parents and blanches birth which was 1921

By 1939 she isn't living at home

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 11:53

That marriage to jack Marley could be her as the birth date would tie with the birth qtr for Blanche in 1921

Blanche Marley
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1921
Date of Registration: Sep 1982
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 1436

Possible death of her hubby

Jack Marley
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1918
Date of Registration: Jun 1975
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 1736

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 12:01

Death of her brother William

First name(s) WILLIAM ARTHUR
Last name PROCTER
Gender Male
Birth day 22
Birth month 7
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1992
District Macclesfield
Register number 992
County Cheshire
Volume 35
Page 738
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 12:04


First name(s) ROBERT
Last name PROCTER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1883
Age 47
Death quarter 3
Death year 1930
District Congleton
County Cheshire
Volume 8A
Page 282
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 12:05


First name(s) Robert
Last name Procter
Age 32 and 9 months
Birth year 1883
Birth town Congleton
Birth county Cheshire
Birth country England
Service number 23560
Regiment Army Service Corps
Unit / Battalion Reserve Battalion
Year 1916
Residence town Congleton
Residence county Cheshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Home address 101 Antrobus Street , Congleton. Occ grocer
Wife Martha Yates married 4 .2.1913
Son William Arthur born 22.7.1916

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 12:21

You need the marriage cert for his father's name so as to identify the right Robert Procter

Not seeing an obvious marriage for William so his death cert too could be helpful with the informants name

Lucy

Lucy Report 25 May 2017 12:34

So would it look like she didn't return to Congleton after giving birth??, she was only 20 and it said she was a stationers assistant on the birth certificate maybe she stayed for work.

the address of the house where she was born was Seymour grove in heysham Morecambe is there any way of finding out who lived there in 1941? or what it was in them days?
my nana was told she was adopted from a unmarried mothers home at queen street in Lancaster there has been nothing said about any houses in Morecambe so would be interesting to find out who lived there if I could

Thanks

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 12:58

I can't see Blanche on the 1939 register sorry

There were no electoral rolls taken in WW2 so there's no way to check

It's possible that was the postal address of the hospital as its pre the NHS and often the hospitals had been associated with the workhouses

Folks objected to any ref to a workhouse hospital on any certs because It implied they had been in the workhouse so it became the norm to put the hospital postal address instead

The hospital may no longer exist

Or it could have been a home for unmarried mothers, again they would use the postal address

malyon

malyon Report 25 May 2017 13:48

Robert Procter
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name
Robert Procter
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1911
County
Cheshire
Parish
Congleton
Sub-District
Congleton
Registration District
Congleton
Gender
Male
Age
26
Birthplace
Coughton, Cheshire

malyon

malyon Report 25 May 2017 13:51

Robert Procter
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name
Robert Procter
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1891
County
Cheshire
Parish
Congleton
Ecclesiastical Parish
ST JAMES
Registration District
Congleton
Residence Note
Wagg Street
Gender
Male
Age
6
Occupation
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1885
Birthplace
Cheshire, England
Page Number
2
Registration Number
RG12
Piece/Folio
2845/ 61
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Henry Procter
Head
M
38
Lancashire, England
Sarah Ellen Procter
Wife
F
33
Staffordshire, England
Gertrude Mary Procter
Daughter
F
14
Cheshire, England
George William Procter
Son
M
12
Cheshire, England
James Henry Procter
Son
M
9
Cheshire, England
Robert Procter
Son
M
6
Cheshire, England
Nellie Procter
Daughter
F
3
Cheshire, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 14:35

But there's more than one Robert Procter born c 1882/3 so to identify the right one the father's name from the marriage cert would help
According to the army records he was 32 years and 9 months when he sighed up and was born c 1883 not 1885

He may not have been born in Cheshire although he lived in congleton when he signed up

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 15:42

Could be him though as note his occupation. He was a grocer when he signed up

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7 Wagg Street Congleton, Congleton, Cheshire, England

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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Sarah Ellen Procter Head Widow Female - 53 1858 Staffordshire Biddulph Transcription
Robert Procter Son Single Male Gtocer's Assistant 26 1885 Cheshire Coughton Transcription
Nellie Procter Daughter Single Female Elementary School Teacher 23 1888 Cheshire Coughton Transcription
Charles Frederic Procter Son Single Male Law Clerk 20 1891 Cheshire Coughton Transcription
Willie Holland Boarder Single Male Wine Merchant Clerk

So some difference in his birth year according to his signing up and his death in 1930

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 May 2017 15:48

PROCTER, ROBERT SNAPE
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 301

Marriages Dec 1875
Procter William Henry Congleton 8a 456
SNAPE Sarah Ellen Congleton 8a. 456

Strange though the difference in his birth year

Think you do need his marriage cert to Bertha for his dads name