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"Genealogy Chat" - see Phil's update page 2

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JaneyCanuck Report 7 Jun 2011 13:56

I hope the task list is numbered in base 2, or started at 16900. ;-)


AnninGlos Report 7 Jun 2011 12:43

I have got a vision of a huge long list and GR support tearing their hair out :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


philmoir Advisor Report 7 Jun 2011 07:45

The information at the top of Add Topic has been added to our task list for action. For reference (so that we can refer back to it and close off it has a reference #16971). We will let you know when it is going to be released.

With regard to Moving Threads, I envisage this initially being controlled by the support on request by members. This has also been added to our task list for action. And has been given reference #16969.


SylviaInCanada Report 2 Jun 2011 04:17

it does make one feel that way, doesn't it!



jax Report 2 Jun 2011 04:12

It has been deleted now, whether it was the poster or GR that removed it....who knows?

I pointed out the sticky at the the top of the page, and was told if I had nothing better to do I could help on her thread.

If people who help on the boards are going to reply regardless, whats the point?



SylviaInCanada Report 2 Jun 2011 03:55


that link only takes me to the Genealogy Chat board, not to a specific thread?????



jax Report 1 Jun 2011 22:32

Still want to know who is going to remove posts that should not be on that board when people are replying within minutes of the posting

not going to work more abuse for the other members I think



SylviaInCanada Report 1 Jun 2011 18:47

great news!



Lindsey* Report 1 Jun 2011 16:06

At last , about time too !!


JaneyCanuck Report 1 Jun 2011 15:47

Yes, yes, instructions on the "Add Topic" page; things will be getting better all the time. But imagine how tired my legs are getting from pedalling in place! That got done last fall on TTF, then undone ...

Phil ... cuzz ... and this is my thread so I can hijack if it I like ...

[edited out surname that Phil and I share ;-)] of London? Yes, but from where originally? They come from Cornwall, they do. One of my grx ... 4? ... grmothers was a Cornwall one.

I'm legendary (at least in my own mind) for finding cousins for the rest of the world and its cousins, but none for me.

Could we be? ;-)

I'm deleting what I was going to put here and sending Phil a PM instead. Hope he gets PMs. ... You may not know how much personal info you've disclosed here, Phil, and it may concern you almost as much as it does me.


philmoir Advisor Report 1 Jun 2011 15:32

Yes, we need to add something to the Add Topic page as well based on the board you have selected. This has been logged too.


TootyFruity Report 1 Jun 2011 15:04

It would be good if the advice was attached to the Add Topic button because it would be more likely to be read. Even if it just a synopsis of the stickied thread


jax Report 1 Jun 2011 14:58

Lets hope it works

Who is going to remove them? because someone is bound to rush to the posters aid within a minute of posting

I see the "police" comment has gone, but why has my post mentioning the 3 threads and stating that Genaelogy chat is not the place to post a look up ect gone?



TootyFruity Report 1 Jun 2011 14:57

Brilliant, things are moving at a pace,

Janey you can't leave now with all the changes, you don't want to pay the higher premium to rejoin ;-)


JaneyCanuck Report 1 Jun 2011 14:52

Well woo hoo! Things are moving apace around here! ;-)

Here's yr link:

which works like a hyperlink for those of us with the latest firefox: block, right-click, open in new tab.

In part:


This is the Genealogy chat message board. This is
where you can come and chat with other members
about all things related to family history and researching.

Please do not post your look-up requests on this board
as they will be removed. If you have a look-up request
please post it on either the Find Ancestors message board
or the Find Living Relatives message board.

If this keeps up, I may just renew my subscription after all! :-D


philmoir Advisor Report 1 Jun 2011 14:44

We have now posted a stickied notice at the top of the Genealogy Chat board as you have suggested with details of what this board is for.

It would be nice to add a hyperlink to it, but I can't (yet - I have taken note of this). :-)

Thank you for the recommendation.
Phil - Genes developer


JaneyCanuck Report 1 Jun 2011 00:43

Even where users are aware of the no-duplicates rule, they misinterpret it to mean no two threads the same on a single board ... a post on every board is just fine ...

(Someone with 3 threads about the same thing, on 3 different boards, has said this today on General Chat. And was told by another member that this was just fine, which member then proceeded to insult another member, one whose record on these boards is stellar, for requesting that the duplicates be deleted.)

Please. Please sort this out. Once and for all.

Please find a way of making it clear to all posters, new and old alike, what the no-duplicates rule means, and what boards are appropriate for which types of posts.

And as back-up, provide for reporting of posts for being on the wrong board, in response to which they could be moved to the right board.

In the case of duplicates (which is the real potential and actual problem with wrong-board posting), there needs to be a facility to merge threads as well, to eliminate the duplication.

I'm sick of being insulted by users who, for the most part in these cases, don't spend their own time helping on the help boards, but think it is their business to direct personal attacks at those who do and who are affected by the multiple-post / wrong-board situations.


JaneyCanuck Report 1 Jun 2011 00:24

And Phil is considering the "move thread" possibility!

And the battles about where threads belong continue on the board.

We have just had a longtime user instructing a new member who has posted on General Chat *and* Genealogy Chat *and* Find Ancestors -- all improperly because the posts contain personal info about someone born in the 1940s who is very likely living in any event -- to just go right ahead and post where he likes. And insulting someone who pointed out that this is ill-advised.

I might start requesting review of posts that advise other users to break the rules ...


JaneyCanuck Report 31 May 2011 20:29

Nudging for Ginny who is wondering why the Genealogy Chat board has turned into another look-up request board.


And in the hope of some attention from the site management ...


JaneyCanuck Report 31 May 2011 15:34

As long as we're nudging our own threads ...

This isn't especially a "development" problem -- but it could be fixed as easily as the emoticon code problem, I'd say.

Back in the fall I had correspondence with KS at brightsolid about the lack of guidance for new users in a form/place that they would actually see it.

She agreed that instructions needed to be presented more prominently, i.e. on the page a user sees when they click to start a thread on a board.

Within a relatively short time, this innovation was completed. The instructions that can now be read (but never are) in the pinned post on the Ancestors board were presented to users above the text box for composing a post to start a thread.

When the board reorg came, that feature was eliminated.


The only result has been fewer new users with any clue about how to use the board. Nobody reads the pinned post before posting. People may not have read the instructions stuck under their nose when they appeared on the post composition page, but they could hardly claim that they didn't *see* them, for instance as an excuse for posting the same thing three times.

What earthly purpose does it serve to give users *less* guidance?

The thing is that this needs to be done on *every* board.

Clicking to start a post on the General Chat board should produce instructions that say that the board is *not* for family history help.

Clicking to start a post on the Suggestions board should produce instructions that say that the board is *not* for family history help.

Clicking to start a post on the Success Stories board should produce instructions that say that the board is *not* for family history help.

>>> And Clicking to start a post on the Genealogy Chat board should produce instructions that say that the board is *not* for lookup requests, it is for discussions *about genealogy* -- it is *not* for pursuing your own family history, it is for tips about doing family history in general.

If this is not done

*** the problem of duplicated requests across multiple boards ***

and the rancorous climate that this produces

when the "helpers" who are the backbone of these discussion boards

have their time and goodwill abused

will simply continue.

And whose interests is that in??

It is in the interests of *everyone* -- new users, old hands and the site management -- that it be made clear to all users what the boards are for and how to use them.