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Kelly Report 8 May 2009 20:59

hi all,
i have now got walters mothers maiden name its mary ann wells 1854, it was given by someone attached to my tree


Ricochet Report 8 May 2009 22:04

A death cert cannot be dated earlier than the date of is just not possible.


Kelly Report 9 May 2009 08:16

well the certificate is wrong and the gro office appoloigised for it ,and on my mum's, mum's death certificate it was dated at the top 1970 29th feb, yet she died on the 29th feb 1972 so there is another one which was dated 2 years before she died, alice elizabeth king nee pike, my gt nan's first death cert was in my nans name alice king instead of mary pike, my nan was horrified,
so yes it is possible for them to make a mistake ?
if i wasent so annoyed i might think it was funny to, this man is just a nightmare
he married under walter king had 3 children all with edgar walter king on there birth cert,
remarried under walter king 1920, then had another child fred fathers name walter king,then died under walter king ????????why on earth would you pay for a head stone alot of money in 1953 only for it to be wrong, surley you would make them put it right,


Battenburg Report 9 May 2009 14:31

Date of birth were not put on death certs till 1969. Im sorry though you havnt been able to find his


ChristineinPortugal Report 9 May 2009 14:35

Hi Kelly,

This family certainly are causing you a lot of problems aren't they, always changing their names.

You said you have Walter's mother's maiden name from a contact.

Do they have his birth cert or parents marriage cert?



Ricochet Report 9 May 2009 20:26

I think you are perhaps misunderstanding the gist of the message from is clearly sent with the best of intentions.

You are getting in a wee bit of a tizz about all just give yourself a breather.......

And I'm not being patronising,either..........


Ricochet Report 9 May 2009 20:30

Is this the death for which you have purchased the cert?

KING, Walter, Age 60
OND 1953, Bromley, 5b/146

Would you get the cert, and look at it for me............

Who does it say was the informant? And what relation, if any, was he/she to Walter?

What was the date on which the cert was issued?


Elizabethofseasons Report 9 May 2009 20:33

Dear Kelly

Please try once more when you are less tired.

Carrying out researching is time consuming, fustrating and
confusing. But it brings its rewards.

When you have the time, organise your information.
Separate the definitely know, then another pile not sure.

What you are looking for, and then what you have found.

Read through it carefully and make notes.
If possible get a friend to help as a fresh look on this could make all the difference.

Maybe things will start to click into place.

It seems to me there were a few admin errors made by the authorities.
Just a tiny mistake on certificates can mess up research.

Census material is often misleading and the originals need to be looked at carefully.

Take care of yourself.
Best wishes to your mum.


Ricochet Report 9 May 2009 20:38

I haven't read all the postings on this thread, as there are so many different 'strands', it would only compound the confusion........

Do you have any info about Walter's marriage?
The cert...for example?

If so, tell us all the info from it.............


Kelly Report 9 May 2009 20:39

hi Ricochet,
yes this is the right one, and i wouldnt dream of saying that, you have helped me so many times, and i know what ever you say is ment with good intentions,
sometimes things do get me down, but i am truly grateful for your help and advise
my regards as ever


Ricochet Report 9 May 2009 20:46

OK....had a quick 'scan'.....I see that you have the marriage fact, I'm beginning to recall some of this now..............

One point which may have already been made, is that the name of a father on a marriage cert is no proof of his identity.......especially if he is 'deceased'. Illegitimacy was a stigma in those days, and fathers were often dreamed up for the sake of propriety......


Kelly Report 9 May 2009 20:52

right have the cert, informant E KING widow of deceased, st hilliers biggin hill
deid farnborough hosp thirteenth october 1953
issued thirteenth october 1953,

E king was his first wife and died

his second wife was Lydia king they married in 1920 surley it would be her name and not his dead wife


Battenburg Report 10 May 2009 02:12

The informant on the death cert E King. Do you think he married for a third time?
Very strange unless Lydia had a middle name

Just another avenue. Do you think there will be a death notice in the local paper?.
Are you able to get to the library to have a look?


Kelly Report 10 May 2009 08:28

hi thanks for your reply, but no he only married twice, and lydia c king, so anyway, i phoned the gro and received and appol from them and they are sending another cert out, so you see i cannot be wrong,
i have decided to p hone on monday kew and see how i can get a search from them or go myself, but as we live the otherside of cambridge, and its a long way from here ? well i think it is
but i will get this sorted out
but thank you for your advise
my regards


Kelly Report 14 May 2009 21:40

this is just to let everyone know that the search i paid for at the gro in camberwell, peckham, has just refunded part of my money as they are unable to find walter king 1893 they looked a year each side, so now can anyone advise me where to go from here please ????????????????


Kelly Report 17 May 2009 09:27

thanks rea,

i to will never give up on my gt grandfather, i know he is out there somewhere ??
even though i was advised to give it up, i so need to find walter king



Kelly Report 17 May 2009 12:02

hi thanks for that rea,

i do realise people have tried to help me, and was not trying to say i had been on my own looking for him, i wouldnt ask people to look at my thread if that was the case,
but this man is in the 1901 with his parents, i have got everything apart from his birth cert,
someone cannot just go away ?
i received an appologie from the camberwell bmd and have now got his correct death cert, so you see things can be wrong not everyone is perfect ?????????????????????????????


Battenburg Report 17 May 2009 21:00

Hi Kelly

We know census information isnt always correct. Is it possible he wasnt born in Peckham. Or how likely is it he was adopted ( unofficial) so was registered with a different name.
Is it possible to look for his baptism?
Sorry cant think of anything else to help.
I have a frustrating grandmother who is on the census in 1891 as nursechild. In 1901 lodger with the same family.

I have her birth and marriage cert.Same father and occupation. Mother claiming to be married.

No sign of parents or marriage or deaths. So Im stuck on them



Kelly Report 3 Jun 2009 20:13

hi all
just had some really good news about walters parents

thomas king and mary ann king nee king nee wells,

mary was married before to a ? king, nee wells

then married Thomas King

so any help would be appreciated



Kelly Report 9 Jun 2009 09:21

i have now ordered (hey that sounds bossy) the gro to do a search for EDGAR WALTER KING 1893 and see what this show's
if not i will have to give up, i have not heard from eileen king who is the only person still alive who may know any info,
but she is sure that anyone who get's intouch is after her money bless her.
i have now gone to her district nurse and ask if she may be able to help,
but again havent heard anything.
so will wait and see what the gro comes up with