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Would like to find out a bit more info on William Thomas b.c.1835 Aberman, Wales. Was a Labourer. D.1870 Wales Glamorgan maybe.

His parents are Thomas Thomas and Margaret or Margeret ?(that's all I know on the parents). Would like to know a bit more info on this family, what other children they had and births and/or deaths. Anyway....Thanks in advance

William Thomas married Ann Jones 16/09/1861 in Aberdare, Mid Glamorgan. Ann was born 1835 Abergwili and died 1923 Victoria Australia.

Other notes on Ann and her second marriage are in my previous thread, so I don't need anything from her second marriage a gent with the same name.

Thanks again, and I do appreciate anything and everything you guys uncover.

Bron

Hello, If I have no replies, does that mean, that nothing could be found or someone will get to it later? Just wanting to know if I should have done something a differ way, not sure how things work.

Thanks in advance

Bronwyn

Hi bronwyn

Can you tell me where in Wales is Aberman I cannot find it in my map book
Edite

I have not been able to find any William Thomas bn 1835 glamorgan with that name parents .
Are you sure that is the names of his parents and how did you come across those names.
Sue.

Hello Susan

Thanks very much for replying, I was thinking I did something wrong.

The only positive information that has been confirmed is William Thomas' marriage to Ann Jones 16 sep 1861 at the Parish Church, Parish of Aberdare, Glamorgan. On the cert (which I haven't seen) it stated that Ann signed with a X and he was born at Aberaman, which is near Aberdare, Glamorgan.

I was only told that the parents were Thomas THomas and Margaret? No confirmation.

Ann nee Jones was from Abergwili Carmarthen.

Hope this helps.

Bron

Could this be William with his wife Ann in 1891?

Name: William Thomas
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Clase
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llangyfelach
ED, institution, or vessel: 5



Name: Ann Thomas
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Clase
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales



Name: Sarah A Thomas
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Clase
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales



Name: Margaret J Thomas
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Clase
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales



Name: Daniel Thomas
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Clase
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Could this one in 1841 be a possibility?

Name: William Thomas
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abergwilly
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: Carmarthen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Thomas Thomas 40 Carpenter
Margaret Thomas 30
Anne Thomas 14
John Thomas 12
Thomas Thomas 10
William Thomas 8
Margaret Thomas 6
Jane Thomas 2
Evan Williams 15

Hello, and thanks for your input and I don't think they are the same person.

I have just found on the Australian Unassisted Inwward Passenger List that Ann Thomas age 27, Margaret age 1, William Thomas age 36 and Thomas Thomas aged 26 (must be his brother) all on the Naval Reserse March 1864.

So I can definately say that he didn't die in Wales and did in Australia.

I just spoke to my distant cousin who has the wedding certs for both William Thomas and Ann nee Jones marriages and they are definately two different people. The first William Thomas's father's name was Thomas Thomas and he was a Collier. And the witnesses to the wedding were William Davies and Thomas Evans, which I don't think really helps.

So from the dates onboard the Naval Reserve it says that William Thomas was 36yr which makes his birthdate 1828.

Hope this helps.

Bron

PS. Only one of William and Ann's children were registered in Wales, which was Margaret b.104/08/1862.

You perhaps need to try to find his death in Australia. Australian death certificates give the spouse's name, parents' names (including mother's maiden surname, if known) and also a list of the children.

Yes, you are right and it also changes from state to state. NSW are free and Victorian you have to pay or have a credit card. Will try tonight, just waiting on my cousin to send through the wedding cert so I can find where William was born.

Hi Bronwyn

Thankyou for your PM
Could you tell me where in OZ there went ,what state!!!

Approx when you think he would have died,did the family Return to the UK.
When you say inward passage is that inward for the UK or OZ.
I don't know where you live.
Sue

BINGO!!!!Father: Thomas Thomas and Mother: Jemima, born Swansea born 1837-38 was there 3 years, then to Aberdare for 34years and then Victoria for 6 years and died in 1870.

Hope this helps. Would love to know his mother's maiden name and if he had any other brothers and sisters???

Very excited

Bron

Hi Sue

I'm in NSW, Australia. Inward Passangers list on the Public Records Of Victoria Unassisted and assisted.

Please see my last note.

Bron

Hello

I've tried to locate a birth cert for William Thomas, but to no avail. He was born in Swansea, Wales in 1827-8. Parents were Thomas Thomas and Jemima. Haven't checked any census as I don't have access. He left Wales in 1864 for Australia. He has a brother named Thomas who is 10 years younger than him.

Would really appreciate any help locating a birthdate, siblings names and/or mother's maiden name.

Thanks kindly

Bron

Bron, you won't get a cert because they didn't start in England & Wales until September 1837. You need a baptism record.

Ozi

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1851 Wales Census
Name: Jemima Thomas
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangyfelach
Civil Parish or Township: Llangyfelach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forest vach[?]

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilo
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thomas 57 - collier & labourer
Jemima Thomas 52
Rees Thomas 18
David Thomas 13
John Thomas 10
Rachel Mathew 21 - servant

All born in the Parish of Llangyfelach.


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1851 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangynwyd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Metcalfe Street

Occupation: Iron Founder

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
David Daniel 27
Gwenllian Daniel 23
Elizabeth Daniel 3
Daniel Daniel 9 Mo
John Daniel 23
William Thomas 24
William Williams 22
Joseph Thomas 19



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1861 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangefelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare
Town: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 40 Cardiff Road (Shop)

Occupation: Collier

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Mason 36
Ann Mason 26
Mary Ann Mason 1
William Davies 45 <<<<<<<< witness?
Evan Davies 19
James Jones 21
William Thomas 34

The village of Llangyfelach is located in the City and County of Swansea, Wales. Llangyfelach is situated about 4 miles north of Swansea city centre.

Also this is on GenUKI - Fforest Fach in the Parish of Llangyfelach (as in 1851). Two collieries there at one time - Mynydd Newydd Colliery & Worcester Colliery.

A good chance this is him with his family. Brother Thomas is not 10 years younger though.

1841 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Llangafelach
Hundred: Llangafelach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forrest fach

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilotalybont
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Thomas Thomas 40 - Collier
Jemima Thomas 40
William Thomas 15
Thomas Thomas 11
Rees Thomas 10
David Thomas 4
John Thomas 1

IGI Individual Record
THOMAS THOMAS
Marriages:
Spouse: JEMIMA HARRIS
Marriage: 25 SEP 1821 Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Messages:
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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7218513

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