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Chevaun Report 27 Oct 2010 23:23

I'm signing out for the evening but will be checking back tomorrow evening and hopefully updating any new information that I can get from my grandfather.
I just wanted to say a HUGE Thank you to everyone who has posted and advised me on what I need to do to progress with my family search this evening. It means more than you know.


Joy Report 27 Oct 2010 23:23

You're welcome. We are all on an upward learning curve :-)

I have Bessant in my family, not the same branch though unfortunately.

Happy hunting.


Flick Report 28 Oct 2010 17:14

Looking for info on GR is not recommended........better to have a BASIC membership, and use other - better - sites for research.


Chevaun Report 28 Oct 2010 21:09

I found out from my grandfather today that his father may have had an Irish background, possibly born in Ireland?... Could this be why I am having difficulty locating birth details for him?


mgnv Report 28 Oct 2010 22:44

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:


Chevaun Report 8 Nov 2010 19:09

Just bought great grandad (Frederick Besant) and great grandmother (Kathleen Clements) marriage certificate so only a few days until I find out the next part of my family tree....
A big thank you to all who helped by researching the details that I needed to put into the GRO website.
I'll feedback more details when I get the certificate.


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 14:38

Hi everyone,
I recieved Frederick and Kathleens marriage certificate this morning so any help in progressing my search would be greatly appreciated...
Father's names for Frederick Besant and Kathleen Clements are as follows:
Joseph Besant, (deceased) his profession is noted as Laborer.
George Clements, his profession is harder to read but I think that it says Engine Driver.
I would be very grateful for any help.
Thank you,


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 15:30

Any help guys?


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 17:27

Is it possible for anyone to do a look-up for Joseph Besant on the 1911 census? I am unable to access it with my membership.
Thank you.


MarieCeleste Report 15 Nov 2010 17:47

Hi Chevaun - which one of these is he most likely to be?

Household BESANT, Joseph 1863 48 M Kensington London
Household BESANT, Joseph 1860 51 M Romford Essex
Household BESANT, Joseph 1894 17 M Romford Essex
Household BESANT, Joseph 1901 10 M Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire (West riding)
Household BESANT, Joseph Andrew 1857 54 M Market Drayton Shropshire


MarieCeleste Report 15 Nov 2010 17:56

Here's the Kensington one, as other posts on here mention there. There is also an Irish connection on this one!

BESANT, Joseph Head Married 29 years M 48 1863 Warehouseman Wilts Uphavon
BESANT, Annie Wife Married 29 years F 56 1855 Ireland Charleville Co Cork
BESANT, William Son Single M 28 1883 Night Watchman London North Kensington
BESANT, Philip Son M 7 1904 School London North Kensington

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
191 Reference:
RG14PN191 RG78PN6 RD2 SD3 ED26 SN94

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington North Enumeration District:
26 Parish:

4 Hazlewood Crescent County:

If you think it's any of the others then just say.


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 19:44

Hi MarieCeleste,
Thank you so much for doing the lookup, are your results from the 1911 Census?
I would think that you have hit the jackpot with the Kensington result, which if correct would mean so much to me. I have never had any information relating to my great great grandfather as my great grandfather Frederick William Besant died well before I was born and my grandfather (also Frederick Besant) never met any of his fathers family as apparently he was somewhat of an outcast!
I'm not sure I understand the breakdown of the census though, are you able to explain why there are two ages given on both Josephs and Annies entry, or am I right in thinking that the 29 is the amount of years that they have been married?


patchem Report 15 Nov 2010 19:48

Not having much success with Kathleen Clements, Father George, engine driver, from Kent.
Are you sure about Kent?


MarieCeleste Report 15 Nov 2010 19:50

Hi Chevaun, yes it's 1911 and yes that's 29 years married!

It also says that they had 3 children, 2 of which survived.

If you click on my name to send me a message with your email address (don't post it on here!) I'll send you a copy of the original. MC


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 20:17

Hi Patchem,
No, I'm not certain about Kent, only going on information from grandfather that his mother (Kathleen Clements) was from Kent but this could be incorrect... The info is very patchy... Are you able to check if there are any results in the Kensington area for a George Clements on the 1911?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


MarieCeleste Report 15 Nov 2010 20:31

Any of these?

Household CLEMENT, George Arthur William 1909 2 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1870 41 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1875 36 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1873 38 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1857 54 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1886 25 M Kensington London
Household CLEMENTS, George 1867 44 M Kensington London


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 20:34

Wow MarieCeleste, That is a long list of George Clements from Kensington! Are they all from the 1911 Census?


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 20:42

Hi MarieCeleste,
I have just sent you a PM regarding the original copy of the information regarding Joseph Besant.
Thank you so much for offering to send it over to me, it means a lot.


MarieCeleste Report 15 Nov 2010 20:47

Yes, Chevaun - those are just the Kensington ones!

There are 703 altogether. Obviously, some can be eliminated by age and location but there are still loads in the London and Kent areas.

I've had a look at the Kensington ones and none are engine drivers.

The 1911 for Besant is winging it's way to you!


Chevaun Report 15 Nov 2010 21:00

Thank you so much once again for all of your help MarieCeleste, it is very much appreciated.
I will somehow have to find a way to whittle down the Clements households so that I can find the correct one on the 1911.. If only I could find something more concrete than the vague info that my grandfather has given me! If I have any luck would you be able to do me a look-up on the 1911 then?
Best wishes,