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Trying to find Benjamin Tubess

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Nickydownsouth Report 31 May 2011 22:24

Yes i`d seen that but he seems to disapear after that...couldn`t find a death that matched up agewise either, except for one in Burnley Lancs in 1911.... but i couldn`t find anyone of that name in Burnley on the 1911 census...



Vera Report 31 May 2011 22:47


Found this one...


TUBB, John Head Married M 39 1852 Chimney Sweep
London VIEW
TUBB, Alice Wife Married F 43 1848 Flower Seller
London VIEW
TUBB, Frances Daughter F 5 1886
London VIEW
TUBB, Whitlock Son M 14 1877 Scholar
London VIEW


RG number:
RG12 Piece:
98 Folio:
30 Page:

Registration District:
Marylebone Sub District:
Christchurch Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Barnabas

Civil Parish:
St Marylebone Municipal Borough:
Marylebone Address:
15, Providence Place, St Marylebone, Marylebone County:

Regards Vera


ChristinaS Report 31 May 2011 23:00

Yes, that must be him. Well done Vera. It doesn't look as though he married Alice though.


Nickydownsouth Report 31 May 2011 23:32

Trying to find Alice and Whitlock in 1881 but no good....the only Whitlock i can find of a similar age was born in Wales.... and he wasn`t registered in Marylebone area c1877 if thats where he was born...



Vera Report 1 Jun 2011 07:56

I couldn't find a marriage either. I also couldn't find them on the 1901 census.
I wonder where Alice and Whitlock were in 1881.
Regards Vera


ChristinaS Report 1 Jun 2011 09:56

Is this John in 1901?

Can't cut and paste I'm afraid.

Chelsea - Leverett Street

John Tubb - head - 42 - sweep - London
Ellen Tubb - wife - 27 - South Wales


Vera Report 1 Jun 2011 10:08

Good one Christina,

Don't know how I missed it !!!!


TUBB, John Head Married M 42 1859 Sweep
London VIEW
TUBB, Ellen Wife Married F 27 1874
South Wales VIEW


RG number:
RG13 Piece:
73 Folio:
125 Page:

Registration District:
Chelsea Sub District:
Chelsea North Enumeration District:
13 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Simon's

Civil Parish:
Chelsea Municipal Borough:
9, Leverett Street, Chelsea County:


Regards Vera


Mary Report 1 Jun 2011 10:11

O/N/D 1883 1b 952 St Giles London.
John Tubb and Ann Anna WHITLOCK.

Is there a connection here with Whitlock Tubb 1877??

John Albert Whitlock born @ 1840 died Marylebone O/N/D 1882.
1881 John is with Ann H 1845.

Marriege 1866 Marylebone John Whitlock and Ann H Hall.
So should she be Ann Hannah Hall.

Annn Hannah Hall 1847??
1871 Christchurch D 9 >40 St Marylebone
George hall 1827 Paddington labourer
Hannah 1827 Paddington Flower Hawker.
Ann Hannah Hall says ditto under parents for married
Mary Hall unmarried Flower Hawker.

Death ?? Ann Tubbs born @ 1846 died Kensington 1898.



Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 11:23

Just had a message back from Joan. No luck with Tubess in Barking. However, all their records going back to the beginning are now free online so I will start searching.
I'm wondering if some light may be shed if I send for the birth certificate of George Robert in 1879. (I suppose if George registered the birth and Mary had lied to him as well about whether she was already married he would probably still be under the illusion that Mary was nee Tubess) but perhaps worth a try?


ChristinaS Report 1 Jun 2011 11:28

I don't know Mary. Maybe. John Whitlock and Ann Hannah are probably the ones having their children baptised at Bryantston Square on Ancestry London Baptisms. The family are there together on the 1881 census, but I can't find any of them, for certain, on the 1891.

What a pity they don't have that 1883 John Tubb marriage on London Marriages.


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 11:34

I'm wondering if some light may be shed if I send for the birth certificate of George in 1879. (Was it a legal requirement that the mother state her maiden name on a birth certificate?)


ChristinaS Report 1 Jun 2011 11:42

Hi Dee, I'm concerned you might be wasting your money with that. It will likely say the same thing as Henrietta's birth certificate did.

I don't think anyone ever authenicated the information given on birth or marriage certificates at that time.


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 11:50

I think you're right Christina. I have started trawling through the records held for Essex but I'm not even having any luck with the Ansells. Still, I've only just started so you never know.


ChristinaS Report 1 Jun 2011 12:07

Which site are you looking on Dee? Is it the Essex Parish Records online site?

Thanks for bringing that site to my attention - I hadn't realised it existed. But, if it is that one, please don't confuse Barking with Barkingside, as they're different towns.

No - just realised it can't be that one as that doesn't have anything in the Barkingside area either.

Pleae can you tell me which site you're looking at , as I need an Essex record for someone way back in my family tree.


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 13:13


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 15:06

Fingers crossed that the certificate from Bromley is a copy of the Church Register. This is the reply I have just received from the GRO.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Certificates issued from this office are certified to be a true copy of an original entry in the register of Births, Deaths, Marriages and as such are acceptable for all official purposes.

The original entry must remain in the register book in the local office where the event was registered. Therefore only certified copies can ever be issued.


Vera Report 1 Jun 2011 15:58

You can get a copy of the actual page from the register, a few years ago when I was having the same problems you are having, I was sent an actual copy of the page.( privately) I also needed to see the signature.

If you can find where the actual church register is held, I am sure you can get a copy.
Just read the above reply again.....I do hope it is the right copy that comes from Bromley.

Regards Vera


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 18:43

A lady called Eileen has just messaged me with the suggestion that maybe Mary's mother's name was Benjamin. I'm going to see what I can drag up.


ChristinaS Report 1 Jun 2011 18:51

I don't understand what you mean.


Dee Report 1 Jun 2011 19:00

I think she means that she could have used Benjamin (which might have been her mum's maiden name) and Tubess (if she had already been married to John Tubbs and spelt it a different way.) As someone said earlier in the thread there wouldn't have been any check made and if her dad and mum were already dead George would have been no wiser either. Does that make sense? I'm not articulating myself very well I'm afraid.