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1851 census for Upermill, Saddleworth please

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Frances

Frances Report 24 Jul 2011 22:53

I have found James Radcliffe in the G.R. single line census :-

Radcliffe James 1836 Saddleworth Saddleworth, Uppermill

I believe his parents are William and Ann. Does the 1851 census confirm this please?

Many thanks,
Frances

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2011 22:56

James Edward Radcliffe
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
parents: Robert Radcliffe, Mally

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: James Edward Radcliffe
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1836
baptism/christening place: SADDLEWORTH, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: Robert Radcliffe
mother's name: Mally
indexing project (batch) number: C13559-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1484393

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 24 Jul 2011 22:57

RADCLIFFE, John Head Widower M 51 1800 Farmer (11 Acres)
Saddleworth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, John W Son Unmarried M 24 1827 Farmers Son
Saddleworth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, James Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Ap To Carpenter
Saddleworth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Charles T Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Scholar
Saddleworth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Esther A Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Dress Maker Saddleworth Yorkshire
LAWTON, James Son-In-Law Married M 24 1827 Hand Loom Weaver (Woollen Saddleworth Yorkshire
LAWTON, Hannah Daughter Married F 26 1825 House Servant Saddleworth Yorkshire
RG number:HO107 Piece:2290 Folio:360 Page:44     
 
Registration District:Saddleworth
Sub District:Uppermill
Enumeration District:1
Ecclesiastical Parish:Saddleworth Church
 
Civil Parish:Saddleworth
Municipal Borough:
Address:Boarshurst, Saddleworth
County:Yorkshire (West riding)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2011 22:57

James Henry Radcliffe
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
parents: John Radcliffe, Sally

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: James Henry Radcliffe
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1836
baptism/christening place: SADDLEWORTH, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: John Radcliffe
mother's name: Sally
indexing project (batch) number: C13559-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1484393

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2011 22:58

just in case it's of use to you some time

Husband's Name
Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGK-4K) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1643 Place: Saddleworth, Yrkshr, Engl
Died: W.D. 18 1695-6 Feb Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Buried: 4 Feb 1696/1697 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Married: Abt 1660 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Father: Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGJ-SV) Family
Mother: Mrs. Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGJ-T2)

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Wife's Name
Mrs Susannah RADCLIFFE (AFN:11MM-JDW) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1643 Place: Of Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Married: Abt 1660 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M John RADCLIFFE (AFN:11MM-JF4) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1661 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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2. Sex Name
F Miss RADCLIFFE (AFN:11MM-JGB) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1665 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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3. Sex Name
F Alice RADCLIFFE (AFN:11MM-JHJ) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1667 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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4. Sex Name
M James RADCLIFFE (AFN:11MM-JJQ) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1669 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Jul 2011 22:59

Husband's Name
Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGJ-SV) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1615 Place:
Married: Abt 1641 Place:

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Mrs. Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGJ-T2) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1615 Place:
Married: Abt 1641 Place:

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M Alexander RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGK-4K) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1643 Place: Saddleworth, Yrkshr, Engl
Died: W.D. 18 1695-6 Feb Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Buried: 4 Feb 1696/1697 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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2. Sex Name
M Edmund RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGK-5Q) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1645 Place: Saddleworth, Yrkshr, Engl
Died: W.D. 26 1676 Dec Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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3. Sex Name
M John RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGJ-PC) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1648 Place: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

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4. Sex Name
M Joshua RADCLIFFE (AFN:8DGK-3D) Pedigree

Born: 1642 Place:
Christened: 12 Jan 1642 Place: Saddleworth, Yrkshr, Engl

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 24 Jul 2011 23:01

Name: James Radcliffe
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Radcliffe
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Saddleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Saddleworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Uppermill
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 2290
Folio: 360
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
John Radcliffe 51 <<< head of household,widower, a farmer of 11 acres
John W Radcliffe 24
James Radcliffe 15
Charles T Radcliffe 12
Esther A Radcliffe 19
James Lawton 24
Hannah Lawton 26


Frances

Frances Report 24 Jul 2011 23:11

Thank you Ann, Tuity Fruity and Gwyn. I need to do more research to see if it is possible to determine which parents.

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 Jul 2011 23:12

1841?

1841 England Census
about James Radcliffe Name: James Radcliffe
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Upper Mill
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1279
Book: 2
Folio: 32
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
John Radcliffe 40
Sarah Radcliffe 20
Eliza Radcliffe 15
Hannah Radcliffe 15
John Radcliffe 14
Esther Radcliffe 10
Mary Radcliffe 7
James Radcliffe 4
Charles Radcliffe 2
Sarah Radcliffe 65



Andy

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 24 Jul 2011 23:13

Did James marry?
A marriage certificate should show his father's name and occupation.

Can you outline for us how you got back to James please?
Maybe someone can help.

Gwyn

Frances

Frances Report 24 Jul 2011 23:35

Thanks for the '41 Andrew. John was already a widower it seems.

Gwyn, I am doing this research for a friend of a friend and the 1881 census gives
James RADCLIFFE
Head M Male 45 Upperthong, York, England Woollen Cloth Miller
Bridget RADCLIFFE
Wife M Female 45 Binns Upperthong, York, England
as the parents of
Henry Sanderson RADCLIFFE
Son Male 12 Victoria, York, England Woollen Warpers Assistant

Henry Sanderson is the known grandfather

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 24 Jul 2011 23:39

Marriage


Marriages Sep 1855   (>99%)

Radcliffe  James    Huddersfield  9a 279   
Sanderson  Bridgett    Huddersfield  9a 279   

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 24 Jul 2011 23:48

1861


RADCLIFF, James Head Married M 25 1836 Cloth Miller
Bumler Upperthong Yorkshire
RADCLIFF, Bridget Wife Married F 25 1836  Bumler Upperthong Yorkshire
RADCLIFF, Sarah Ann Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar  Uppermill Upperthong Yorkshire
RADCLIFF, Thos Jos Son M 3 1858 Scholar Uppermill Yorkshire
RADCLIFF, Martha Alice Daughter F 0 (7M) 1861 Uppermill Yorkshire
RG number:RG09 Piece:3249 Folio:41 Page:19     
 
Registration District:Huddersfield
Sub District:4 Holmfirth
Enumeration District:2
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Johns Upperthong
 
Civil Parish:Upperthong
Municipal Borough:
Address:Victoria Place, Upperthong
County:Yorkshire (West Riding)

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 24 Jul 2011 23:57


1881

RADCLIFFE, James Head Married M 45 1836 Woollen Cloth Miller
Upperthong Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Bridget Wife Married F 45 1836 Binns Upperthong Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Sarah Hannah Daughter Single F 25 1856 Cotton Warper
Uppermill Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Martha Alice Daughter Single F 20 1861 Cotton Doubler
Victoria Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Harriett Daughter Single F 18 1863 Cotton Doubler Victoria Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Emma Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Victoria Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Henry Sanderson Son Single M 12 1869 Woollen Warpers Assistant Victoria Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, William Arthur Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Victoria Yorkshire
SANDERSON, Lot Lodger Single M 26 1855 Woollen Weaver Tappet Denby Yorkshire
RG number:RG11 Piece:4368 Folio:62 Page:2     
 
Registration District:Huddersfield
Sub District:Honley
Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
 
Civil Parish: South Crosland Municipal Borough:
Address:Cropland Factory, South Crosland
County:Yorkshire (West riding)

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 25 Jul 2011 00:06


1871

RADCLIFFE, James Head M 35 1836 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Bridget Wife F 35 1836 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Sarah Ann Daughter F 15 1856 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Thos Joshua Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Martha Alice Daughter F 10 1861 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Harriot Anne Daughter F 8 1863 Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Harry Sanderson Son M 2 1869 Yorkshire
SANDERSON, Martha Mother-In-Law F 63 1808 Yorkshire
SANDERSON, Lot Brother-In-Law M 25 1846 Yorkshire
RG number:RG10 Piece:4347 Folio:43 Page:26     
 
Registration District:Huddersfield
Sub District:Holmfirth
Enumeration District:2
Ecclesiastical Parish:
 
Civil Parish:Upperthong
Municipal Borough:
Address:Victoria Row, Upperthong
County:Yorkshire

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 25 Jul 2011 00:19


1901


RADCLIFFE, Bridget Head Widow F 65 1836 Beer Seller Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Henry S Son Married M 32 1869 Assistant Waiter Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Henrietta Wife Married F 26 1875 Shipley Yorkshire
RG number:RG13 Piece:4179 Folio:86 Page: 2     
 
Registration District:
North Bierley
Sub District:
Thornton Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Clayton St John the Baptist
 
Civil Parish:
Clayton Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Clayton Lane, Clayton
County:Yorkshire (West riding)

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 25 Jul 2011 00:23

1911


RADCLIFFE, Henry Head Married
12 years M 40 1871 Railway Capstanman Yorkshire Huddersfield
RADCLIFFE, Harriett Hannah Wife Married F 41 1870 Heartn Rug Weaver Yorkshire Huddersfield
RG number:RG14 Piece:26271
Reference:RG14PN26271 RG78PN1519 RD495 SD6 ED18 SN124
 
Registration District: Huddersfield
Sub District:Almondbury
Enumeration District:18 Parish: Dalton
 
Address:48 Wakefield Road Moldgreen Hudd County: Yorkshire (West riding)

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 25 Jul 2011 00:34

1891

RADCLIFFE, James Head Married M 53 1838 Grocer & Beerseller Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Bridgett Wife Married F 55 1836 Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Martha A Daughter Single F 30 1861 Grocers Assistant Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, Harry S Son Single M 22 1869 Worsted Warp Twister Holmfirth Yorkshire
RADCLIFFE, William A Son Single M 19 1872 Worsted Warp Twister Holmfirth Yorkshire
RG number:RG12 Piece:3646 Folio:8 Page:10     
 
Registration District:Bradford
Sub District:Thornton
Enumeration District:21
Ecclesiastical Parish:St John the Baptist
 
Civil Parish:Clayton
Municipal Borough:
Address:Fleece Inn, Clayton Green, Clayton
County:Yorkshire (West Riding)

Frances

Frances Report 28 Jul 2011 18:06

Thank you for all the extra TootyFruity. My friend went home at 12.45 without seeing all your hard work but I have copied it into the Radcliffe file for him to see when he comes again a week on Sunday!
I will have to draw out a tree to see if I can determine which are James's parents. At least Bridgett is easy with her mother being present in 1871.

Frances

Frances

Frances Report 29 Jul 2011 09:06

After much consideration of all the info contributed it seems that James Radcliffe from Uppermill, Saddleworth 1851 is not the same person as James Radcliffe from Upperthong, Holmfirth in later census.
The 1861 gives his name without ending with an 'e' so I have checked the G.R. single line for 1841 and he shows up :-

Radcliff James 1836 Yorkshire Huddersfield, Holmfirth

Can anyone see if he is with his parents in 1841 please?

Many thanks,
Frances