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thanks to u all for yr help,,,lyn

thanks to all info given from u all just got to sort it in my records yes this is my walters so charles was elizabeth the daughter.s son av i got that right guys hope so so he took john walters name is that about right,.. lyn

Hi Choccy,

In case you're looking for something to do:-

You wouldn't have a death for a Sarah Walter between 1828 and 1836?

Or any births for John and Sarah?

:-D

Likely baptism of Elizabeth Palmer -


St Mary Northgate, Canterbury

18th August 1811

Parents - William and Mary

suspect the All Saints marriage is more likely -


1828 November 8th

John WALTER (Bachelor) of this Parish

Sarah HARDS (Spinster) of this Parish by Banns

Witnesses - Rich. Martin and Martin Charles Rolfe

So who did John marry first?
Just to tie up a loose end.

Two possible, but first one is same Reg.Dist.

1828 08 November WALTER John Sarah Hards Maidstone (All Saints) Maidstone

1829 20 December WALTER John Susan Homewood Woodchurch Tenterden

:-)

OH has numerous Kent CDs

Interesting!
So Charles was Elizabeth's illegitimate son.
Thank goodness for Kent Family History Society.
Well done Choccy!

from Kent Family History Society CD (again)!


Birth -

Charles PALMER born 26th October 1834 Base born son of Elizabeth Palmer (St Margarets, Canterbury)



Marriage - All Saints, Maidstone

10th October 1836


John WALTER (Widower) of this Parish

Elizabeth PALMER (Spinster) of this Parish by Banns

Witnesses - Geo. Palmer and Mary Cogger

Only marriage showing on familysearch for John Walter to Elizabeth in Kent about 1835:-

John Walters - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 31 MAR 1836 Walmer, Kent, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Gray


This one shows on Mid-Kent marriages:-

1836 10 October WALTER John Elizabeth Palmer Maidstone (All Saints) Maidstone

............but also after1835.

Hi Catherine

It defo says 'Julia' on the record, Ive sent in a correction.The transcriber was either on the gin or very very tired ;-)

So that seems to confirm that Charles was not born in 1829, Marden,
but 1835 in Canterbury.

Have also removed info on the other Charles Walter. Just goes to show how important it is to get marriage and birth certs. to confirm what you 'think' you know.

1861 census also shows there is a Tulia (could be mistranscription for Julia) ?

1851 England Census
about Charles Walter
Name: Charles Walter
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Walter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Walter
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Canterbury, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Whitehall Place

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 1cc
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 1617
Folio: 379
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
John Walter 44 <General porter
Elizabeth Walter 39
Charles Walter 16 <General Porter
Emma Walter 12
James Walter 9
Ruth Walter 6
Mary Walter 4


Im removing the incorrect info, again to stop confusion. Maybe Lyn will eventually come back at some point :-)

Thanks for your input Choccy!
That seems to have solved that problem.

:-)

1841

GILES, Nicholas M 70 1771 Kent VIEW
GILES, John Scott M 35 1806 Kent VIEW
COOK, Mary F 35 1806 Kent VIEW
GANDY, Elizabeth F 30 1811 Kent VIEW
FINCH, Mary Ann F 15 1826 Kent VIEW
DAVIS, William M 50 1791 Kent VIEW
DAVIS, Mary F 50 1791 Kent VIEW
DAVIS, Maria F 30 1811 Kent VIEW
DAVIS, Edward M 3 1838 Kent VIEW
DAVIS, Mary Elizth F 6 1835 Kent VIEW


WALTER, John M 30 1811 Kent VIEW
WALTER, Elizth F 25 1816 Kent VIEW
WALTER, Chas M 6 1835 Kent VIEW
WALTER, Emma F 3 1838 Kent VIEW

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Piece:
490 Book/Folio:
1/39 Page:
8 Registration District:
Maidstone

Civil Parish:
Maidstone Municipal Borough:
Maidstone Address:
Stone Street, Maidstone County:
Kent

1861


WALTER, John Head Married M 54 1807 Furniture...
...Bridge
Kent VIEW
WALTER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1812 ...Wife
Canterbury
Kent VIEW
>>>>>>WALTER, Charles Son Unmarried M 26 1835 French Polisher
Canterbury
Kent VIEW
WALTER, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 ...Paper Mill
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
WALTER, James Son Unmarried M 19 1842 ...
...
Kent VIEW
WALTER, Ruth Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Scholar
...
Kent VIEW
WALTER, Mary Daughter F 14 1847 Scholar
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
WALLER, Julia Granddaughter F 3 1858
...
Kent VIEW
WALLER, Kate Granddaughter F 1 1860
...
Kent VIEW

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Piece:
500 Folio:
38 Page:
10 Registration District:
Maidstone

Civil Parish:
Maidstone Municipal Borough:
Maidstone Address:
999, St Faith Street, Maidstone County:
Kent




James and Ruth are probably the witnesses at the marriage

Kent Family History CD


Marriage - All Saints, Maidstone

1864 June 19th by Banns

Charles WALTER (age 29) Bachelor of this Parish (French Polisher)
son of John (Warehouseman)

Ann BARDEN (full age) Spinster of Tovil
daughter of William (Labourer)

Witnessed by James John Walter and Ruth Walter

What we need is the marriage cert.
This would give us Charles' age and occupation and his father's name and occupation.
Maybe there were witnesses that were members of the family?
What address does Charles give on the cert.? Maybe he was still living with his parents.

Ruth or Julia's birth cert; would also give us Charles' occupation?

You're right Ginny, we need a little feedback now.

I think it would be really helpful if Lyn could come back and post us some feedback and then we might be able to move on with her question ;-)

So this looks like Charles

1861 England Census
about Charles Walter
Name: Charles Walter
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Walter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Walter
Gender: Male
Where born: Conborbury, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Kent
Country: England


Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 500
Folio: 38
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Walter 54 <<Furniture broker
Elizabeth Walter 49
Charles Walter 26 <<French polisher
Emma Walter 22
James Walter 19
Ruth Walter 16 <<< his daughter named after his sister?
Mary Walter 14
Tulia Waller 3
Kate Waller 1


I'll delete that other census stuff as it only confuses matters!

I think the birth with parents Charles and Mary is not the guy we are looking for as he's not showing on the censuses at all?


Edited: Occupations as I mixed them up!