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Hi Kgee,

Joseph Warren is also my gg grandfather (i have come down from Lucy susannah).
I have found him travelling to London on the Lusitania on 20 Jun 1891 ( in Trove) and from there I don't know what happened to him.
I am more interested in finding out about Mary Shaw/Hyde/Lloyd. Do you have any information about her ancestors or anything about her at all?
Hopefully you will get this message as your last message was in 2012
Cheers

I was searching through Trove and found a J Warren in South Aust who was local politician. The article said he was 73 and my man would be that age in 1904. I k ow he had travelled there in the past. Perhaps that is where he disappeared to.

I don't think they are, as all together, Joseph had 6 children 3 to Mary Lloyd and 3 to Mary Shaw.

Are you sure they are not the same person? (Mary I mean)

No, I don't. There doesn't appear to be one. I have the marriage of Joseph and Mary Shaw but not Lloyd. I'm thinking they weren't married.

Do you have the 1866 marriage certificate?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313562

The death cert I have for Mary Warren has no information on it. Everything says unknown except the place and date of death. The age works out right though. This is why I'm having so much trouble.

Do you have wife Mary's death certificate? They are usually very informative.

Yes to all. I was taken in by the Joseph Warren Joseph Warrener confusion at first but the newspaper obviously got it wrong. I know that Joseph Warren offered his two farms up for sale in 1876 saying he was leaving the colony however he was involved in sheep stealing charges in 1880 so he obviously didn't leave then. The story I got from my mother was that he went to live in Queensland. But that could be completely wrong. Also I read on the convict page I have that he returned to the UK on the 20 June 1891 but I don't know how to confirm that.Thank you very much for your help. It would be great to finally get to the bottom of this mystery.

It is probably a coincidence but this is a burial at Greenough near Geraldton

WARRENER, Joseph 52 YRS 1882 7 JUN GGH

However this would make the wife Ellen SMITH (formerly wife of Reuben BACKSHALL), not Mary LLOYD/SHAW so if you know his children to definitely come from Mary then this is not your man! Ellen died in 1908.

Interesting that they were in the same area as Champion Bay though!

There is this too, in a Perth newspaper, though the papers were not known for great accuracy at the time:
The Inquirer & Commercial News, Wednesday 21 June 1882
I regret to have to record the recent occurrence of three sudden deaths at the middle Irwin, within a few days of each other, viz, Messrs. Joseph Warren, of the Greenough, Robert Glen and Mrs Benson, all of whom came to their end from natural causes.

The son Joseph who died in 1916 died in a well, overcome by foul air. There is a newspaper article about it at NLA Trove.

See headstone at http://www.outbackfamilyhistory.com.au/Darlot/darlot_or_woodarra_cemetery.htm

Do you know if his 2nd wife Mary was the one who died in Perth in May 1909, aged 70?

The Joseph Warren from the East Murchison is his son and so is the Aubrey. I have their certificates but it just states the fathers name and no further information on him. He could have returned to England or gone to the eastern states. I have tried searching but havent been able to find anything. I really appreciate the help you've given me. Thank you.

Have you considered these?

I know he would have been over a 100 years old for the last death posted but his parents lived into their 90s, might be worth sending for the first certificate in the first place............


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Joseph Warren
Death Place: Western Australia
Registration Year: 1916
Registration Place: East Murchison, Western Australia
Registration number: 8

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Joseph Warren
Death Place: Western Australia
Registration Year: 1925
Registration Place: Williams, Western Australia
Registration number: 18


Too old I think!

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Joseph Warren
Death Place: Western Australia
Registration Year: 1937
Registration Place: York, Western Australia
Registration number: 28


Question:

Would a childs death certificate have Joseph's details listed, date of death etc?


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Aurey Albert Warren
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 82
Father's Name: Joseph D
Mother's name: Mary
Registration Year: 1956
Registration Place: East Coolgardie, Western Australia
Registration number: 158
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874

This is a good site for searching burial's in OZ.

There are a lot of town s in OZ and everyone of them has a Cemetery
so be warned

Sue


http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/waus.htm .

Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
Name: Joseph Warren
Vessel: William Hammond
Convicted Date: 28 Jan 1854
Voyage Date: 3 Jan 1856
Colony: Western Australia
Place of Conviction: Guernsey

County Somerset
Place Winsham
Church Parish Church
RegisterNumber 29
MarriageDate 09 Oct 1816
GroomForename David
GroomSurname WARREN
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname CHICK
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname PAYNE
WitnessTwoForename Martha
WitnessTwoSurname MARGRIE
Notes Both Sign X. Witnesses Joseph Hodder; Ann Hockey
FileNumber 16683

County Somerset
Place Winsham
Church Parish Church
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 11 Jun 1795
Forename David
Sex M
FatherForename Joseph
MotherForename Sarah
FatherSurname WARREN
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 16681

1851 England Census
Name: David Warren
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth Warren
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Winsham, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Winsham
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Piece: 1928
Folio: 190
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
David Warren 56
Elizth Warren 59
Thomas Warren 22
John Warren 34


1861 England Census
Name: David Warren
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Warren
Gender: Male
Where born: Winsham, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Winsham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 1636
Folio: 148
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
David Warren 66
Elizabeth Warren 67
William Lacey 20

1871 England Census
Name: David Warren
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Warren
Gender: Male
Where born: Winsham
Civil parish: Winsham
Town: Winsham
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 2406
Folio: 74
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
David Warren 76
Elizabeth Warren 79

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Warren
Name: Elizabeth Warren
Age: 92
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Winsham, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Winsham
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: Back St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Out Pauper

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Chard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2386
Folio: 162
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Smith 52
Marie Smith 54
Edith Larcombe 2
Elizabeth Warren 92




England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: David Warren
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Chard
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 319

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Warren
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Chard
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 302




When did Joseph arrive in Oz?

Thank you so much for that! Ive been trying to find him for ages His children were all named after his parents and siblings. Now I just need to find what happened to him.