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Francis Roman

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Steven Report 10 Jan 2013 23:03

I have been trying, with no success at all, to find some details ,however small about Francis Roman. I know he had a son, Andrew Martin Roman,born in 1855 in Brooklyn New York USA. And that's it. Andrew came to England around 1890.And I have some info forwards from there.But going back is the headache.If anyone has any ideas,or if i am missing a trick or two.Let me know.It's getting rather frustrating now.I may have to choose another past time.
Any info greatly appreciated
Steve (G.G.G..Grandson of Francis Roman)


MarieCeleste Report 10 Jan 2013 23:05

Hi Steven, do you want to share that info you have from when Andrew came to England? (Might help us work back).

Welcome to the boards!

Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Jan 2013 23:08


Is this the son listed on familysearch as RONAN ?

Andrew Ronan

estimated birth year:1855

age in 1870: 15y

birthplace: New York

home in 1870 New York, United States


brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 23:10

Someone on Ancestry has Francis' wife as Catherine Ebers? Is that your tree?

Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Jan 2013 23:13

from anst :

Andrew Martin Roman Mr
Birth 15 jun 1855 in brooklyn New York USA
Death 17 OCT 1922 in Bethnal Green London England

18 Jun 1889
Age: 34 Marriage to Margaret hart Mulligan miss 1889 18 Jun — Age: 34 Manhattan New York

11 Aug 1915
Age: 60 Marriage to Annie Monk 1915 11 Aug — Age: 60 St James The Great Church Bethnal Green London England Wedding special licence Bethnal Green vol 1c page 398

francis Roman
Catherine Ebers


patchem Report 10 Jan 2013 23:13

That Andrew has Father Thomas, unfortunately.


MarieCeleste Report 10 Jan 2013 23:15

Is this your Andrew in 1891?

ROMAN, Andrew Head Married M 36 1855 Trunk Maker U S a Brooklyn
ROMAN, Annie Wife Married F 28 1863 Clanfield, Gloucestershire
ROMAN, Katie Daughter F 7 1884 New York, U S A

Piece: 48 Folio: 107 Page: 30
Registration District: Fulham
Civil Parish: Fulham
Municipal Borough: Fulham

Address: 12, Rylston Road, Fulham County: London


patchem Report 10 Jan 2013 23:16

1880 United States Federal Census about Andrew Roman
Name: Andrew Roman
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Maria Roman
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Umbrella Maker
Andrew Roman 27
Maria Roman 20
Gertude Roman 3
Frank Roman 1
James Eyers 67
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New York, New York; Roll: 884; Family History Film: 1254884; Page: 144B; Enumeration District: 348; Image: 0004.


MarieCeleste Report 10 Jan 2013 23:17


ROMAN, Andrew Head Married M 55 1856 House Painter U S America
ROMAN, Annie Wife Married20 years F 42 1869 Bampton Oxford Shire
ROMAN, Albert Son Single M 18 1893 London Fulham
ROMAN, Andy Son Single M 16 1895 Fulham
ROMAN, Mabel Daughter Single F 15 1896 Fulham
ROMAN, Annie Daughter F 12 1899 Fulham
ROMAN, Violet Daughter F 8 1903 Fulham
ROMAN, Florence Daughter F 6 1905 Fulham
ROMAN, Joseph Son Single M 28 1883 U S America

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1422
Reference: RG14PN1422 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED5 SN374
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: Bethnal Green South West
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: 6 Hague St Bethnal Green County: London

Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Jan 2013 23:24

groom's name:Andrew M. Roman
bride's name:Margaret Hart Mulligan

marriage date: 18 Jun 1889
marriage place: Manhattan, New York, New York

groom's father's name: Francis Roman
groom's mother's name:Catherine Ebers

bride's father's name:Michael Hart
bride's mother's name:Mary Hawkins


MarieCeleste Report 10 Jan 2013 23:26

Mike, what's your source for that marriage?

This is what I found:

Surname Given Name Month Day Year County Certificate Number Soundex
Roman Andrew Jun 18 1889 Manhattan 7358 R550
Mulligan Mary Jun 18 1889 Manhattan 7358 M425

From the NY index on

Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Jan 2013 23:30

The marriage details are from familysearch


patchem Report 10 Jan 2013 23:35

1850 United States Federal Census about Francis Roman
Name: Francis Roman
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1822
Birthplace: Hungary
Home in 1850: New York Ward 1 Western Division, New York, New York
Gender: Male
Family Number: 1493
Francis Roman 28 piano master/maker(?)
Catharine Roman 19 Ireland
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: New York Ward 1 Western Division, New York, New York; Roll: M432_534; Page: 187A; Image: 379.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 10 Jan 2013 23:51

Do you have the 1915 marriage cert?



GlitterBaby Report 11 Jan 2013 00:25

Matches address and occupation on 1911 census

Name: Andrew Roman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Age: 61
Spouse Name: Annie Monk - spinster
Spouse Age: 50
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Aug 1915
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Francis Roman
Spouse Father Name: Albert John Mark - looks more like Monk on image
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Andrew Martin Roman
Probate Date: 16 Nov 1922
Death Date: 17 Oct 1922
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Administration to Annie Roman, widow

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Who was Katie's mother? She was born before both marriages.


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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Jan 2013 06:12

This looks to be Annie:

Births Dec 1864
MONK Ann Witney 3a 586

and parents:

Marriages Sep 1862
Monk Albert John Brooks Witney 3a 864
Preston Ann Witney 3a 864



patchem Report 11 Jan 2013 07:41

Is this Katie's death?
Deaths Sep 1909
ROMAN Kate 24 Whitechapel 1c 115

Katie Roman
Age: 11
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1885
School: North End Road School
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Admission Date: 2 Mar 1897
Parent: Andrew
Notes: North End Road School (0524) opened 1881
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV01/NER/AD/001

Sorry, got to go, but varied birth dates, so for brevity:
Name: Kate Roman
Birth: 6 Jun 1884
Residence: 17 Jul 1893

Name: Kate Roman
Parents: Andrew Roman
Birth: 4 Jun 1884
Residence: 23 May 1892

Name: Katie Roman
Birth: 6 Jun 1885
Residence: 2 Mar 1897

'Typical' father who cannot remember birth date??

Also, there is a Byron with father Andrew - related? No time to look further.


MarieCeleste Report 11 Jan 2013 08:26

I think Andrew Martin Roman needs lot of tidying up before we can try to find Francis (that' s if he is the right father - there was more than one Andrew Roman).

Steve's tree on Ancestry has a son Joseph born June 1883 USA to Annie Monk who was born 1869. Andrew apparently married 1889 in NY but if that 1880 census is right he was already married then.

Would like to sort this out but some family story from Steve would help.

Off to work now ........


MarieCeleste Report 11 Jan 2013 20:04

Have sent Steven a pm asking if he has any further info and explaining how to get back.