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Eveline was at same address in 1948 (alone) so maybe Phyllis was her daughter and too young to vote.

Thank you both.....its great to get the info but also so sad as i just cant track my grandfather Harry...now that i have lost dad i feel its my duty to find the info that dad never knew but looks like i will be hitting the brick wall rather soon :( xxx

Looks like Evelyn was a red herring??

Her probate record states she was a spinster,

Name: Evelyn Beatrix Burt
Probate Date: 9 Nov 1942
Death Date: 5 Apr 1942
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: Llandudno


Chin up, let's look at it another way, it's one less possible wife off the list. :-)

Did your father ever mention any older siblings (or half siblings from Harry's first marriage)? It's just it may help track down his first marriage... It would be unusual for no children. But then again, if he married early his children may have been grown up by 1945 and flown the coup (so to speak)

Flip,

Think MC added the link to JL's other post on page 1. JL thinks that there may have been a son "Pat" to the first marriage, unfortunately there is no further info. :-)

Have spoken to my uncle (dads half brother) he remembers Harry having another child from previous called Patrick (not sure if he was blood child or previouscas you mentioned) ....... My uncle is the only one who would know anything but his memories are not great :(

I know that Harry lived in Scholefield Road, Islington (as a child)
29 Bensham Manor Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey ( this address is on his wedding cert to my nan in 1945....and i remeber my dad talking about that address)
And 287, The Glade, Shirley, Croydon (he lived here with my nan and this address is on his death cert)

But i cannot find him listed at the last 2??

Uncle has just told me he remebers a family memeber of Harry's called Eileen Henasey who lived in Moffat Road, Thornton Heath and was married to Vincent??

These are not names im aware of :( xxx

Can you give a rough guess as to birth dates of Eileen and Vincent, please?

(And do you mean that Eileen XXX married Vincent Hennessey?)

Thank-you

Added:
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Marriages Mar 1935
Burt Eileen C Hennessey Willesden 3a 523
Hennessey Vincent J Burt Willesden 3a 523

Added:
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Eileen Cecilia Hennessey
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1910
Date of Registration: Jul 2002
Age at Death: 92
Registration District: Chichester
Inferred County: Sussex
Register Number: 7BD
District and Subdistrict: 7791B
Entry number: 170
(Fits with 1911 on previous page for Eileen Cecelia Burt)


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Vincent John Hennessey
Birth Date: 30 Jul 1908
Date of Registration: Jan 1985
Age at Death: 76
Registration District: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 11
Page: 1117

Vincent John Hennessey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908
Registration District: Chester
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 393

Eileen was Harry's half sister, so at least you know he was still in touch with his family.

Name: Harry Burt
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Croydon
Ward or Division/Constituency: Croydon North East
Street Address: 287 Shirley, Croydon
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2897

With Stella and her son Wiiliam D Stone

Name: Vincent J Hennessey
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Croydon
Ward or Division/Constituency: Croydon North East
Street Address: 26 Moffatt road
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2897


With Eileen and Mary J Hennessy.

Hi Dee :)

I have been looking at Harry's father George......either i have dates of the siblings wrong OR he lead a double life!!!

Yes, your right hun.....its nice to know the contact was still there

William Stone is my dads half brother Stella with previous hubby. I am convinced (or wishful thinking) that there has to be a story behind Harry :-0

I soooo owe you a bottle of wine!!! xx

Can your uncle remember ever meeting Harry's (?) child from the previous marriage? If he can how old was your uncle and what age would he guesstimate the son would be?

Still can't understand why we can't find Harry in 1911, so did he leave the country? I found a marriage in Australia in 1921 to Florence Ethel Battams, she dies in 1928 in Queensland, unfortunately I haven't got anywhere to look for children from this marriage on my subs. This could be completely wrong, but your Grandfather certainly doesn't want to be found!!

You'll have to drink the wine for me, make sure you enjoy. Lol :-D :-D

EDIT>>>> found the birth and death of the Australian Harry Burt, another one ruled out!

These are the baptisms of the first 5 children from George and Mary, the address is the same for all 480 Hornsey Road,

View Record Name Birth Year Event Type Event Date Church Borough Parent or spouse names View Images
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George Burt Baptism 2 Nov 1890 Archway Road Wesleyan Methodist Haringey George, Mary Ann
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Nellie Burt Baptism 2 Nov 1890 Archway Road Wesleyan Methodist Haringey George, Mary Ann
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Amelia Burt Baptism 2 Apr 1893 Archway Road Wesleyan Methodist Haringey George, Mary
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John Burt Baptism 11 Feb 1894 Archway Road Wesleyan Methodist Haringey George, Mary
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Isabel Burt Baptism 28 Apr 1895 Archway Road Wesleyan Methodist Haringey George, Mary


Amelia and John died :(

I keep looking at this 1911...Name: Henry Burt
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hornsey Rd N
Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Park Mansions, Park Road, Hornsey N
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Hairdressers Assistant
Registration District: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration District: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Household Schedule Number: 11
Piece: 7229
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Bokslag 36
Henry Burt 14

place of birth is shown as the address of the hairdressers! Which suggests Albert didn't know...

Has anyone found Nellie in 1911 btw?

Jude

Is it a coincidence that in 1908 George Burt married Cecilia Mary Hennessey and then in 1935 Eileen Cecilia Burt married John Victor Hennessey? (Or have I missed something?)

This is Vincent John's father..

Name: George Fred Hennessey
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Hennessey
Mother's Name: Emily Hennessey
Gender: Male
Where born: Holborn, London, England
Civil Parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Stamford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Stamford
Sub-registration District: Stamford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2552
Folio: 69
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Hennessey 42
Emily Hennessey 38
Ellen Martha Hennessey 17
Richard John Hennessey 15
George Fred Hennessey 14
Cecilia Mary Hennessey 12
Elisabeth Florence Hennessey 10
Agnes Maud Hennessey 9
John Albert Hennessey 6
Rose Gertrude Hennessey 1

So Cecilia Mary was his aunt and therefore Eileen Cecilia was his cousin

Jude

Jude I think the 1911 Henry that you found is this one,

Name: Henry F L Burt
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Edward H Burt
Mother: Nora E Burt
Birth Place: Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward H Burt 32
Nora E Burt 30
Henry F L Burt 3


In 1911 his parents are still in the area with a young daughter, it states that 2 children were born, both still living.

Not found Nelly in 1911 nor a corresponding marriage to match her to.

EDIT - WRONG MARRIAGE, LEFT FOR ELIMINATION PURPOSES ONLY

There's this marriage, only problem is the father's occupation - states coal porter?

Nellie Burt
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1890
Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1909
Archive Provided Parish: Stoke Next Guildford, St John the Evangelist
Parish as it Appears: Stoke Next Guildford
Spouse: Cyril Alfred Adams

Spouse Age: 25
Father: George Burt
Spouse Father: Charles Henry Adams (engineer)
Reference Number: STK/2/9

witnesses George Burt, Charles Henry Adams

ADDED: George was a carman in 1891 & 1911, but was working in a laundry in 1901 - Cyril was a laundryman on this marriage, and on the 1901 census.

Yes Flip I looked at the Adams marriage.......

is this them in 1911?

Name: Cyril Adams
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Guildford, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Newmarket
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street Address: Edfield House, Wellington St, Newmarket SW
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Picture Hall Manager
Registration District: Newmarket
Registration District Number: 183
Sub-registration District: Newmarket
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 115
Piece: 9180
Household Members:
Name Age
Cyril Adams 26
Nellie Adams 20
Mabel Burt 24

But who is Mabel???

Jude