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Great find Fairthorn, I'd forgotten all about that site - lets hope she's kept her contact details up to date.

VERNA FOUND

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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1338260


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Emily in 1916 Canada?

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about Emily Lowrie Name: Emily Lowrie
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 27
Est. Birth Year: 1889
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1911
Home in 1916: 19, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan
Address: 45, 21, 2, Weldon
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jas C Lowrie
Sub District Desc.: Townships 45, 46 and 47, ranges 20 and 21, W. 2. M., including the Village Kinistino
Household Members: Name Age
Jas C Lowrie 35
Emily Lowrie 27
Ernest Strouse 25

You don't really have any right to information, the adoption register is not in the public domain.

All you can really do is put your name on the adoption contact register, so if she ever does (or has previously) registered then you should be notified. Pat posted a link earlier.

Sorry, I accidentally posted this thread twice! MY computer crashed the first time. Sorry for the inconvenience! My mother has told me she has elsa's birth certificate, and she will forward me the details later today. So, atleast we can confirm if we are on the right track.

As far as Verna Scrivens go's. There is limited information available. What are my best options here in attempting to track her down?

thanks again,

Harvey

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1338260

Have you added your name here?

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records/the-adoption-contact-register

Frederick Thomas also shipped out on the Empress of India, in 1922 - going to his sister Mrs Lourie. He had wife Florence (23) and daughter Sylvia (2) with him.

I can't find them in 1891 either, but think at least 2 of Ernest's siblings ended up in your area Sylvia.

Emily C Scrivens is on canada passenger list arriving in 1910 - looks to have come back in 1915 and returned again - on the list it says to be married to J Lowery, farmer but I can't make out the place names.

There's also links to William George, and a marriage in Canada,

I just cannot find then in 1891!

The 1901 census found by Sylvia is the same family - there are christenings for Emily Christabel (1889), William George (1894) and Frederick Thomas (1893) in Ashted, Warwickshire. The father/mother are correct & his job varied between railway servant and shunter.

I am sure that Elsa married into the Smith Family - mum told me when dad got a private investigator involved several years ago - when he attempted to make contact - elsa had passed away, and he did not pursue anything further. Apparently she had further children with Alexander Smith.

Freebmd states march 1926 - but no specifics (for elsa) with the mothers maiden name as HUGHES - (annie)

Trouble is, we don't know for sure Elsa's parents were definitly Ernest & Annie - they may not be. Without her birth cert we can't be sure, and you could do with it to get her exact dob as a Smith is not easy to track.

If you have the right information and Elsa did marry Mr Smith - there are 3 births in southampton, between 1949 & 1956 - check them out on Freebmd - on child has the same name as your father.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!! I love all this history you have been able to find for me! so grateful - would love to hear more, if u can find any :)))

He died 3/8/1896, buried Kings Norton (St Nicholas) 8/8/96. He was a railwayman according to sons marriage (deceased) - his railway record gives date of death - he had joined in 1888 age 20

it looks as though he died around the time Ernest Edward was born :-(

with those cluues


from freebmd


Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)

Clark Emily King's N. 6c 623
SCRIVENS Frederick William Kings Norton 6c 623

and his death??

Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%)

Scrivens Frederick W 28 Birmingham 6d 96

Ernest Edwards marriage gives his father:


Ernest Edward Scrivens
Gender:Male
Birth Year:abt 1897
Marriage Date:14 Mar 1922
Marriage Age:25
Marriage Place:
Bordesley, St Andrew, Warwickshire, England
Spouse:Annie Emma Hughes
Spouse Gender:Female
Spouse Marriage Age:22
Father:Frederick William Scrivens
Spouse's Father:Joseph Hughes

And there is a baptism confirming father


Ernest Edward Scrivens
Birth Date:25 Sep 1896
Baptism Date:10 Jan 1897
Baptism Place:
Kings Norton, St Nicolas, Worcestershire, England
Father:Frederick William Scrivens
Mother:Emily Scrivens

This looks like Walter Homer with his first wife in 1901 .................


1901 Census

Name: Walter Homer
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emily Homer
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Northfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Selly Oak St Mary
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

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Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 37

Piece: 2808
Folio: 27
Page Number: 45
Household schedule number: 259

Walter Homer 35 Gas Meter Inspector
Emily Homer 34 b.ca 1867, Wythall, Worcestershire
Myra Homer 1 b.ca 1900, Baumbrook, Worcestershire
Deborah Homer 2 Months b. 1901, Baumbrook
Emily Sermons 12 b.ca 1889, Birmingham, Stepdaughter <<<<< should be Scrivens
Frederick Sermons 8 b.ca 1893, Birmingham, Stepson<<<<<< should be Scrivens
William Sermons 6 b.ca 1895, Birminghma, Stepson <<<<<<< should be Scrivens
Ernest Sermons 4 b.ca 1897, Stirchley, Worcestershire, Stepson<<<<<< should be Scrivens

Address:- 6 Luton Road

Harvey


If Verna was adopted officially, and her name was changed then it is much more difficult.

I'm not the best person to ask about that though!

There are other helpers on here who will know more ................... and they will be coming on site during the daytime :-)