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I am trying to find information about the parents and siblings of George PAIN born Wrotham (Rootham) Kent England 1823 , and came to Australia in mid 1860s. I believe his parents were James PAIN and May Anne JONES.

Have you looked on Family Search site for a baptism

Hello Robert, which one of these is his marriages?

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: George Pain
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Hawthorne
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Number: 4319

or

Name: George Pain
Spouse Name: Catherine Mcmahon
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1863
Registration Number: 3305

or

Name: George Pain
Spouse Name: Emily Louisa Phillips
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Number: 5553

or is it none of those?

There was more than one George Pain went to Australia from England so we need to establish the right one in order to work back.

Where did he marry?

In the UK?

Or in Australia?

No census records for the name/birth year in the relevant part of Kent.

Where did you get the info about his birthplace?

Thanks everybody for your replies. George PAIN married Catherine McMAHON in Geelong, Victoria, Australia 29/10/1863 - marr regn 3305 - a copy of which I obtained from the Victorian BDM Office. The names of his parents and place of birth are on the marriage certificate. George died on 14/4/1866 in Brunswick, Victoria, leaving his widow Catherine and a son and daughter. Catherine remarried
a Neil McCORRISTON on 23/5/1871 in Melbourne Victoria.

There's a REBECCA Pain, born Wrotham, Kent about 1815/1816 here on Genes. (Source: Genes Member Trees)

I'm finding who MAY be the same individual (on Ancestry public member family trees) with a father name of James Pain, mother's name not given or unclear. May worth you taking a look, if you have access.

Rebecca Pain is associated with the surname Wildish. It may be her as a widow (possibly of one John Wildish) 1851 UK Census for Minster-in-Sheppey, Kent 1628.135.19

No sign of a George Pain, born Wrotham, Kent on 1851 or 1861. (I'm wondering if he's at sea?)

Further, James Pain (cordwainer/mariner?) seems to have a connection with Sheerness, Kent/Harwich, Essex.

You stated that he moved to Australia in mid 1860's, yet his marriage was in the early part of the decade.

Do you know when he actually entered the country? Easier to try to track him if you can give firm date info

As you have the parent's names, have you tried looking for info about them?

https://familysearch.org/

Was the 1863 marriage George's first?

What was his occupation?

There is a tree on ancestry with this info.



George Edward PAINE

Birth
1823
Rootham, Kent, England

Marriage to Catherine MCMAHON
1863 29 Oct Age: 40
Geelong, Victoria, Australia

MARR
1863 Age: 40
Victoria, Australia

Will
1865 15 Nov Age: 42
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Death
1866 16 Apr Age: 43
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


They have these for George's parents.



James PAYNE
Birth in Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death in Brunswick, Victoria, Australia



Mary Ann JONES




and




Catherine MCMAHON

Birth
1840
Limerick, Ireland

Marriage to George Edward PAINE
1863 29 Oct Age: 23
Geelong, Victoria, Australia

MARR
1863 Age: 23
Victoria, Australia

Residence
1880 Age: 40
Glen Lyon Rd Brunswick Melb

Death
1890 Age: 50
Glen Lyon Rd Brunswick Melb

Thank you for the information re the tree on Ancestory. I am aware of that tree but I cannot access it. One person took the treee down after I contacted her and the other person (LOWE) will not answer my e-mail. This is definitely the family.
the same tree (LOWE) is also on Genes Reunited

Georges occupation is shown as miner/publican.
I cannot find any record of when he arrived in Australia.

Is this the death being attributed to him?

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: George Payne
Death Place: West Melbourne, Victoria
Mother's name: Mary Payne
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 10247

ADDED:
Death date given on Ancestry tree seems to be the burial date, according to funeral notice in The Argus (Melbourne, Vic) on Monday 16 April 1866

The friends of the late Mr. GEORGE PAIN are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery.
The funeral to move from his late residence, Brunswick Hotel, Brunswick, THIS DAY (Monday), April 16, at 3 o'clock p.m.
JOSEPH WHITE, Brunswick.

So probably died a couple of days earlier.

(From Trove)

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957 Monday 16 April 1866

THE Friends of the late Mr. GEORGE PAIN are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery...

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

(not seeing 'Edward')

Chris :)

edits (coincidence, MC at same time, same wavelength!)

Great minds Chris!

Marriages Sep 1837 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
PAIN Rebecca St.Olaves Southwark 4 333
WILDISH John St.Olave Southwark 4 333

(reference, mentioned by John above)

Chris :)

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name:George Pain
Death Place:Victoria
Age:51
Registration Year:1866
Registration Place:Victoria
Registration Number:4305
Estimated birth year:abt 1815

(another?)

Just a remote possibility:

Merchant Seamen Transcription

First Name GEORGE
Last Name Paine
Year Of Birth -
Birth Month -
Birth Day -
Birth Place Stoke
Birth County Kent
Age -
Place STOKE
Date Range 1845-1854
Discharge Number -
Identity Certificate Number -
Piece Number 16
Card Type -
Series BT114

No age or other info. Stoke in Kent is about 25 miles from Wrotham.

Good find with that death Chris, so birth earlier than thought.

More on the 1837 marriage for Rebecca Pain:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Rebecca Pain - Servant
Spouse Name: John Wildish - Seaman
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jul 1837
Parish: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Pain - Private Watchman
Spouse Father: John Wildish - Stonemason
Register Type: Parish Register

Both of full age, neither previously married and both of the parish.

Witnesses names hard to read but look like William Samuel and Mary Piper.

When I was looking at this earlier, there was a George Paine arriving in Aus around 1858 - he was one of the crew (AB), which could tie up with Marie's find. I'll see if I can find it again

A BIG thank you to Marie, Chris, Reggie and everyone else who has taken an interest and researched for me. You all have a far greater research experience and knowledge than I have. George PAIN was the publican of the Brunswick Hotel
so the death notice is correct, and he is buried in the Melbourne GeneraL Cemetery. i did not have the death regn number despite making enqs with Vict BDM, thank you. Rebecca may well be his sister - I have absolutely no information about George's family other than his parents names on his marriage cert. He may well have been a seaman. Also on all the documents I have about George - marriage cert, will, probate docs, the second Christian name Frederick is not shown, but Frederick may well be his second name.


Cheers and thanks again
Bob

Pain George 1815 — 1866 Victoria Deaths 1836-1985 Victoria, Australia

(above on Find My Past, but needs World subscription)


Couldn't see anything there Baptism, Kent wise, yesterday. Seems below was child of Rebecca.


Births Dec 1837 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Wildish Alfred James St. Olave. 4 292

Chris :)

Just in case she is related, she had 2 children by 1841 and was living in Shipley uniton workhouse age 25 - Alfred age 4 and Henry 1. None born in county.