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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Nov 2021 08:47

Good!
Thanks for letting us know, Yvonne.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 15 Nov 2021 22:46

I've just received the death certificate for the 3 year old Thomas and it looks like it is my Thomas. It says he died on 5 September 1875 at the age of 3 years 8 months, and since my Thomas was born in January 1872 it looks like it could be the one. The informant was given as Thomas Dennett, father, potmaker at glassworks. Everything seems to fit.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Nov 2021 22:22

There's also this death, of a child who definitely was 3 years old:

Thomas Dennett
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Dennett
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: Prescot, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1875
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8b
Page: 454

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 12 Nov 2021 00:05

I've ordered the death certificate for the 3 year old Thomas on the off-chance that it might be him. Fingers crossed.

The burial on 14 January 1872 is definitely not him as he wasn't born until 15 January 1872!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Nov 2021 18:31

Father

Thomas Dennett
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
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Name: Thomas Dennett
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1850
Registration Date: Oct 1917
[Nov 1917]
[Dec 1917]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 727

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Nov 2021 17:21

Hmmm - that's a pity.

For our reference - the family in 1881 with no sign of Thomas.

Annie had died in 1876.:

Louisa Dennett
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Louisa Dennett
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thos. Dennett
Gender: Female
Where Born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Eccleston in Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 St Thomas Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Prescot
Sub registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 17a
Neighbors:
Piece: 3735
Folio: 131
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos. Dennett 32 - widower
Louisa Dennett 12
James Dennett 7
Margt. Dennett 4



There's this burial as a possibility:

Thomas Dennett
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Thomas Dennett
Gender: Male
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: 1872
Death Date: abt 1872
Burial Date: 14 Jan 1872
Burial Place: Prescot, Lancashire, England
FHL Film Number: 1657598
Reference ID: Pg145 Ln1154


I wonder if the age of the child in the death record below was 3 weeks rather than 3 years as implied:

DENNETT, THOMAS 3
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 428

If not, then there's no other death record to relate to the burial.


Yvonne

Yvonne Report 10 Nov 2021 18:26

I now have the death certificate mentioned above for Thomas and it's not my Thomas. This death certificate shows that he was the son of George Dennett and died age 7 months. I guess I'm back to square one. The only other death in the Prescot registration district is again in 1872 but he was 3 years old when he died.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Nov 2021 08:30

GRO website doesn't show mother's maiden name on any death records - only on births.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 7 Nov 2021 23:40

Thanks.
I suspected that May and Mary might be one and the same.

Of course, when I go into the GRO site the only death not showing a mother’s maiden name is the one I think is Thomas! I guess I’m going to have to get that certificate.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Nov 2021 23:11

On page 2, LondonBelle posted 1891 census for Thomas with children James and Margaret.

Just in case you don't have it (though I expect you do) , here they are in 1881:

Thos. Dennett
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Thos. Dennett
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where Born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Eccleston in Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 St Thomas Street
Marital status: Widower
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Pot Maker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District: Prescot
Sub registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 17a
Neighbors:
Piece: 3735
Folio: 131
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos. Dennett 32
Louisa Dennett 12
James Dennett 7
Margt. Dennett 4


Annie Dennett
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Dennett
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: Prescot, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1876
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8b
Page: 459

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Nov 2021 22:55

Re Thomas:

Birth:
DENNETT, THOMAS mmn BIRCHALL
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 660


?? Death - again, very likely:

DENNETT, THOMAS 0
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 385

But the only way to know for sure is to buy the death certs.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Nov 2021 22:53

May was born as Mary: May is often a "pet" form of Mary - as in the case of my own mother, officially Mary, but always known as May.

Birth:
DENNETT, MARY mmn BIRCHALL
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 641

The death you found seems very likely.

Death:
DENNETT, MARY 0
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 545

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 7 Nov 2021 22:42

I'm adding to this thread so as not to cause repetition.

I have Thomas Dennett born 1848 married to Anne Birchall.
In 1871 census Thomas and Anne are shown with two children - Louisa b. 1869 (my direct ancestor) and May b. 1871
I couldn't find any reference to May anywhere else but I did find a Mary Dennett b. 1871 with father Thomas. This Mary died 5 months old on 2 June 1871. Could Mary be May?
I also found a Thomas Dennett b. 15 January 1872 with mother, Anne (formerly Birchall), but I've been unable to find Thomas anywhere after the birth. I suspected he'd died but the only death I can find that seems possible is June qtr 1872, Prescot 08B/385 age 0. Could this be my Thomas?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 May 2021 16:30

The Margaret Fairclough whose baptism is posted is unlikely to be the one who married James Dennett.

The baptism is C of E.

James and 'his' Margaret were RC, as per Thomas's baptism

Also

Name: Margaret Fairclough
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 61
Registration District: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire

Name: Margaret Fairclough.......unmarried
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ormskirk
Town: Ormskirk
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Ormskirk
Sub-registration District: Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 34
Piece: 2765
Folio: 95
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Fairclough 52
Robert Fairclough 23..........Son

These two are also on 1851

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 5 May 2021 17:44

Well, I sent for the death certificate of Elizabeth and you're right Erika, the registrant was her husband. It says she was the wife of James Dennett, Clock Maker, death date 13 March 1844 at 23 Pinington Street, Liverpool.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 28 Apr 2021 19:51

I think you’re right Erika, maybe a bit of hanky pinky at play!
Think I’ll get that certificate though, just on the off chance.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Apr 2021 19:14

Almost certainly her husband

Chances are Elizabeth (c1840) wasn’t a Dennett at birth

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 28 Apr 2021 18:49

So looking at the above, it looks like the 1844 death for Elizabeth is a very strong possibility because of the address. Therefore, if the Elizabeth born in 1840 is the correct year, then her parents would probably have been James and Elizabeth, and not James and Margaret, unless he was seeing Margaret while Elizabeth was still alive. I can't understand why I can't find her in the 1841 census. Is it worth getting that death certificate I wonder, maybe the person who registered the death would be a clue.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Apr 2021 10:33

Look at the ADDRESS on the death and on the census!!!

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 28 Apr 2021 01:03

Thanks for all this info.
James seems to always show up as a clockmaker so I'm thinking that the marriage in Liverpool is not my Elizabeth. The death of Elizabeth born 1805 I suppose could be a strong possibility - 6 years is not a huge difference, but where would the daughter born 1840 be in census? Maybe the death certificate would give a clue.
It's beginning to look like this is a brick wall.