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Frizzell and Simms (Scotland & Hull?)

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Laird Report 20 Aug 2015 21:47

Awesome information ArgyllGran! Thanks for digging this up for me. I will now have to look at somehow adding all this info to my tree. :-D


Laird Report 20 Aug 2015 22:11

I'll have to be careful here when inputting into my family tree as I see I have Hugh twice, sandwiched between James. My greatgrandfather Hugh (George's Dad) and I assume Hugh's grandfather was also called Hugh...


GlasgowLass Report 20 Aug 2015 22:49

To clarify:
HUGH Frizzell married Anne Wilson in Ballymoney, Co Antrim on 3 Aug 1858.
**JAMES bc 1859 Co Antrim
Jane bc 1861 Co Antrim
Hugh bc 1863 Co Antrim
Ann b 24 May 1865 Greenock
Margaret b 23 Oct 1866 Greenock
Agnes b 23 Jun 1868 Greenock

**JAMES married Hessie Brown in Greenock in 1884
They had at least 2 children:

**HUGH b 1885 Greenock
Ann b 1890 Greenock

** HUGH married Christina Sutherland on 10 Jun 1904


Laird Report 20 Aug 2015 23:30

Haha! The penny now drops thanks so much for the clarification Glasgowlass.


GlasgowLass Report 21 Aug 2015 00:03

I wondered what happened to Hugh b 1863 in Antrim as I could find no trace of him after 1881.
There is a matching death on SP registered in Greenock
He died in 1883 age 20yrs.

This means that his brother James ( your ancestor) bc 1859 in Antrim was the only surviving male child.


Laird Report 21 Aug 2015 00:30

GlasgowLass, you have really lit my curiosity. I inputted this info into the NI registry and figured i would order it-

HUGH Frizzell married Anne Wilson in Ballymoney, Co Antrim on 3 Aug 1858.

I wonder if there was a marriage license and what info it might reveal...


ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2015 00:45

I had a look at that 1881 census with Flora Frizzle - she's listed as a widow.

So maybe she is indeed a sister-in-law rather than a sister ???


GlasgowLass Report 21 Aug 2015 08:34

James Frizzell was the eldest son, born about a year after his parents 1858 marriage.
He married in 1884 and his younger brother died in 1883
Therefore if Flora was a widow, she couldn't have been married to any of Hugh and Anne's children?

An extract of the 1858 marriage can be obtained from Groni for 5 credits (about £2) .
It may provide the name and occupation for the fathers of Hugh and Anne.


GlasgowLass Report 21 Aug 2015 09:16

Can you look at the 1904 marriage of Hugh and Christina and confirm that BOTH of Hughs parents were deceased at this time.

I think I know why I can't find them at 1901.
It looks like James died 1891 followed by Hessie in 1896.

In 1896 chid named Hugh with a matching profile to their son was sent to Canada as a Quarriers child !
I am certain that it's the same Hugh Frizzell.
He appears in Toronto at 1901 but is not found there afterwards

He must have returned to Greenock before 1904 but I can't find it


Laird Report 21 Aug 2015 10:18

GlasgowLass, just having a look now at the marriage certificate for Hugh & Christina 1904. It says Hugh Frizzell a Railway Carter, I wonder what that was? Christina Housekeeper. Parents James Frizzel Sugarhouse Labourer (deceased) Hessie Frizzell/Brown (deceased).

I must say the writing is difficult to understand. Reading cursive writing is becoming a lost art.


GlasgowLass Report 21 Aug 2015 10:54

That's what I expected and it more or less confirms what I thought
James and Hessie both died within 5yrs of each other leaving Hugh orphaned at around the age of 10 yrs.
Im certain that he was sent to Canada as a Quarriers child.

I can find him going out in 1896 and on the 1901 census in Canada.
I can't find him coming back between 1901 and 1904..

A carter was person who pulled a horse and cart,... or a delivery driver

There is something else and I really don't know if it's relevant.

There was a man named William John Kane Frizzell ( pastry baker) born in Co Antrim circa 1857
He married Matilda Porter Sutherland in Port Glasgow in 1875.
Matilda was also from Co Antrim and can be found on the 1871 census with her parents named John and Ann ( therefore not connected to Christina Sutherland)

This couple lived in Greenock where they had a number of Scots born children before moving back to Ireland and completing their family.
They too lived in Ballymoney.
I think that this man may connect to your family but, I couldn't guarantee it


Laird Report 21 Aug 2015 15:45

A treasure trove of information thank you so much. Irish, Scottish, Nordic and some unknown roots too that will likely remain a mystery. This has been truly fascinating. I am awaiting several certificates and no doubt they will help me build a picture of my families varied geographical history. Such a shame Frank Henry Simms is a dead end.


alviegal Report 21 Aug 2015 20:32

I see James Frizzel was a sugarhouse labourer.

Here is a list of Frizzels working in the sugar refineries. Maybe some of them are your family?

FRIZZEL David of Ireland (age 24) (lab) (1 Bearhope St) Greenock 1881 1881 census CD
FRIZZEL David - (age 31) (labourer) (21 Amos St) Liverpool 1911 1911 census RG14/ 22492/ 343
FRIZZEL James of Dunbarton (age 28) (lab) (114 Drumfrocher Rd) Greenock 1881 1881 census CD
FRIZELL David of Ireland (age 42) (labourer) (72 Ann St) Greenock 1901 1901 census 564/2/45/22
FRIZELL James of Ireland (age 32) (labourer) (3 Prospecthill St) Greenock 1891 1891 census 564/2/44/81
FRIZELL William of Ireland (age 24) (labourer) (54 Drumfrocher Rd) Greenock 1891 1891 census 564/1/24/136
FRIZELL William of Ireland (age 34) (labourer) (66 Ann St) Greenock 1901 1901 census 564/2/44/65
FRIZZLE Hugh of Ireland (age 18) (labourer) (9 E Shaw St) Greenock 1881 1881 census 564/3/10/121
FRIZZLE James of Ireland (age 22) (labourer) (9 E Shaw St) Greenock 1881 1881 census 564/3/10/121


Laird Report 21 Aug 2015 21:20

Hi Alviegal, yes that must be my great great grandfather on that list of Sugarhouse labourers. :-)


Laird Report 27 Aug 2015 21:16

So a little query about this 1858 marriage license.....I have this feeling, that the X marks indicate the parties were illiterate? Also the cursive writing is hard to understand. Can anyone else make out the Parish, i'm pretty sure it's Antrim County. Although where Balamoney comes into place, no idea?



Laird Report 27 Aug 2015 21:30


ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2015 21:48

Yes, it's Antrim.
I can't make out the parish name, but it's not Ballymoney.


ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2015 21:52

I think the parish is Rasharkin, which Wikipedia says is 8 miles south of Ballymoney.


Laird Report 5 Sep 2015 22:18

Now this is interesting, just typed my great grandfather's name inti Google and it brought this link up-
I wonder if this was his father then???

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°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 6 Sep 2015 20:33

Hugh was indeed a home child

Item: Hugh FRIZZEL
Given Name(s): Hugh
Surname: FRIZZEL
Age: 11
Gender: M
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Date of Departure: 1896-04-03
Port of Arrival: Halifax
Date of Arrival: 1896-04-14
Year of Arrival: 1896
Party: Quarrier's Orphan Homes of Scotland
Destination: Brockville, Ontario
Comments: 132 children
Type of Records: Passenger Lists
Microfilm Reel Number: C-4517
Children travelling together: H96BD
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Reference: RG 76 C1b
Item Number: 43658