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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1354624?d=asc

(got a feeling above family might tie in somewhere also, thought the Draper surname rang a bell!)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1355653

(above related to Richard Feast, in case anything helps, or, as reference)

Hi
Thank you for all your help, we did think my fathers side did coming from travellers.
I have seen my nan's birth cert in the past, and from what I can remember it said her dad was john draper, but I cant remember what it said her mum's name was, iv got my dad looking for it. The only uncle I new was John Draper. We new they moved around a lot. My dad says from what he can remember, his mum ( Elizabeth Draper/Parker) was staying at his at his nan's house and that is how she met his dad, but we don't know why she was staying there. She and my granddad got married at Milton church Sittingbourne, on Christmas day I think in 1929.

I did a quick google and discovered that some of the Romany Drapers also called themselves Parker (or visa versa).

It's possible your family are connected to this line (Etty being Hester/ Esther):

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stanbridge Road, Haddenham, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Nelson Parker Head Married Male 35 1846 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Naomi Parker Wife Married Female 35 1846 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Myrena Parker Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Abraham Parker Son Single Male 13 1868 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Etty Parker Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Spencer Parker Son Single Male 7 1874 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Amelacha Parker Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies -
Lemmatina Parker Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Travelling Tinkers Or Gipsies

Much of the family were later known as Draper- and I believe they also descend from Smiths- so ties in nicely with your Hester.

http://www.gypsyjib.com/page/Parker+Family

Morning Sharon,

I've had another look at this family this morning- I'm not getting very far. Their absence on the 1901 census makes it more difficult.

I suspect the family were travelling at the time the 1901 was taken. I believe that both Draper and Parker surnames are related to gypsy families- this is further confirmed by the names Nelson and Abraham.

The first logical thing to do is obtain the information from your Grandmother's marriage and birth certificates, both of which could provide extra clues.
The best (cheapest) place to buy certificates, if they can't be found is from the GRO using page and volume numbers from the indexes- if you need any help let us know: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Talk to your father to see if he remembers any family (aunts/ uncles etc) on his mother's side. The 1911 census states there were 5 children still living, but only 4 are listed with the family- Hester/ Esther also could have had further children after 1911.

A lady called Elizabeth has a database for Romany Gypsy families and has helped quite a few people with their families- it might be worth posting a message on her thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1342925?page=7

Hopefully somebody else might find some extra clues too :-)

Thank you so much

1939 register:

Feast Household Place Wood Cottages , Hollingbourne R.D., Kent, England
Richard Feast 27 Apr 1904 Male Farm Labourer Married
Elizabeth ? (could be M) Feast 17 Apr 1905 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Married
One closed record

Interestingly, there is a travelling Smith family living next door. I have to go out now but will try and have another look in the morning.

I don't know the ref number

Her married name was Elizabeth Feast, she married Richard Feast

That's OK Sharon- but who did Eliza/ Elizabeth marry?- with her married name we may find her on the 1939 register.

I don't know, my dad is looking for it but cant find it, all I know is that it said Eliza Parker 17th April 1907 born farningham

Mel the census and marriage you posted is for this couple (no idea if connected):

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hollyers Lock Linslade Leighton Buzzard, Linslade, Bedfordshire, England

John Parker Head Married Male General Laborer 51 1860 Aston Chirton
Esther Parker Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Littlemore Oxon Bucks
Lisle Parker Daughter Single Female - 24 1887 Reading Berks
Frank Parker Son Single Male Brushmakers Apprentice 17 1894 Aston Chirton Bucks
Minnie Parker Daughter - Female - 10 1901 Aston Chirton Bucks

PARKER, GISLE MAUD (mmn: WALTER)
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 344
----------------------------------------------------------

This is the 1911 that Sharon refers to:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Radwell Yard High St South Dunstable, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England

John Draper Head Married Male General Labourer 50 1861 Ashton Clinton Bucks
Hester Draper Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Stekley Bucks
Nelson Draper Son Single Male Unemployed Genl Labr 16 1895 St Albans Herts
Abraham Draper Son - Male School 18 1893 Green St Kent
John Draper Son - Male School 9 1902 Maidenhead Berk
Eliza Draper Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Farringham Kent

Hello Sharon.

Who did Elizabeth marry? Have you got her marriage certificate?

Have you found her on the 1939 register? If not, perhaps we can have a look.

Thanks Austin I missed that.

I wonder??????????????????????

Name: Esther Walter*************************
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1864
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Apr 1886
Marriage Place: Drayton, St Leonard, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Drayton
Search Photos: Search for 'Drayton, St Leonard' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: John James Parker********************************
Father: Daniel Walter

Mel- I think it's likely the birth posted by safc and SylviaInCanada:

PARKER, ELIZA (mmn: PARKER )
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 690

So whats the ref for your grandmothers birth please?

Name: Lisle M Parker
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Servant Domestic
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reading, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Clinton
Search Photos: Search for 'Aston Clinton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Clinton
Town: Aston Clinton
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1356
Folio: 18
Page Number: 28
Household schedule number: 206
Household Members:
Name Age
William D Stevenson 40
Ada B Stevenson 29
Sybil J Stevenson 6
William H Stevenson 5
Julia Trewartha 30
Lisle M Parker 15********************************

Thank you for all your help, on my grandmothers birth cert it does say Eliza Parker, but when she got married she was Elizabeth Draper, I havent got her birth cert, to know what her mothers name was.

Name: John Parker
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther Parker
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Clinton
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Clinton
Town: Aston Clinton
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1146
Folio: 52
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parker 31
Esther Parker 26
Lyle Parker 4
Oliver Parker 2
William Parker 1

Nelson coming up on below, as Nello...(Mother, Esther)

UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 (Ancestry)

Chris :)

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